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Author Topic: Beginning to really hate annealing bubbles! :(  (Read 4416 times)
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Kathy
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« on: July 03, 2011, 09:08:17 AM »

Everytime I try and make larger sized beads and especially ring toppers, and place them in bubbles to cool - they crack in half  Sad  Does anybody else have the same problem?  I suspect with the ring toppers it is something to do with the rate that the nut cools down so I will try my hand at garaging and popping them straight in the kiln.  I've always batch annealed as it is so easy to just pop on the torch without any forward planning re: switching the kiln on etc. and this seems quite a scary prospect to me!!!  Any help or advice would be gratefully received (as I'm becoming more and more frustrated and wasting LOTS of my precious glass)! xx
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2011, 09:15:28 AM »

I generally use kiln warming up time to pull my stringers and prepare my rods/murrini etc and lay em all out
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2011, 09:19:05 AM »

I lose really large beads to cracks in the bubbles, but put that down to me.  Perhaps they'd be better going straight into the kiln.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2011, 09:54:26 AM »

I can only batch and so I use bubbles but I haven't lost any that I didn't know were already cracked to the bubbles (sometimes I make to many spacers on a mandrel)

If you can garage it's better anyway, as mentioned pull stringer or just make spacers and pop them in the bubbles to batch anneal at a later time while you are waiting for it to warm up. Doesn't take to long to get it up to temp and what's a bit of waiting to not have the fear that the lovely bead you just made is going to go pop.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2011, 10:42:27 AM »

I always put my beads straight in the kiln.. I'm not sure what effect it has on the leccy usage but if you are losing a lot of beads then you have essentially wasted the gas anyway.. well that's how I look at it Undecided
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2011, 12:19:16 PM »


You need a kiln for big beads.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2011, 12:22:55 PM »

Nice to see everyone's agreeing with what I told you Smiley now no peaking... You know you only regret it Wink
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2011, 12:44:59 PM »

I have the same problem with ring toppers and agree with you about the different expansion/contraction rate of the nut versus the glass. Otherwise the only cracks I usually get, even with BIG beads is around bubbles, or an incompatibility, or because I admired for too long before popping in. I've made some whoppers with no problems, and I only batch anneal.  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2011, 12:48:15 PM »

I use cooling bubbles as due to having a fusing kiln I have to batch anneal. I rarely get a bead crack and the largest I have made was approx 35mm though I did waft that one in the end of the flame for several mins I haven't done ring toppers yet
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2011, 12:53:44 PM »

My ring top cracked in the bubbles, also I find lentils and bubble beads also have a high suicide rate, so only make this type of bead when I have my kiln on.

Round beads do well in the bubbles
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2011, 02:36:13 PM »

Kiln is on and I'm off to try again (I do seem to have become a 'late night torcher')?!  Thanks for the feedback guys - will let you know how I get on (and yes Trouty - no peeking I know)!  Wink xx
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2011, 05:27:31 AM »

I used to find a high proportion of lentils cracked in the bubbles, so i invested in a bead door for my SC2 and haven't lost a single one since - at least not to cracking....

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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2011, 05:38:44 AM »

Lost a few large lentil earlier in the year in bubbles (thought it was just because it was still fairly cold outside.  Have not lost as many since putting the heated food tray under the bubbles tin.  Have lost a few ring toppers though but thought it was only the ones I had encased, but again it could have been that they cooled to quick.

Only have a small kiln so not able to anneal as I go  Sad  So will have to make notes, about which ones I loose.
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2011, 08:33:04 AM »

I was using the powder vermiculite and nothing ever cracked. Now in the bubbles, quite a lot aren't surviving the cooling down period. I was wondering, perhaps it is because the bubbles are so light and the mandrel with the bead goes straight to the bottom of the container, where it is colder than in the middle.... What do you guys think?

I was contemplating putting a layer of vermiculite in the bottom of the container and then topping that off with bubbles.

Is this an idea?

I don't have an oven yet... still in the PPP stage  Grin

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2011, 10:42:01 AM »

I've had lots of casualties in vermiculite and bubbles  Cry I've always batch annealed, because until very recently I had to run electricity to my workshop via an extension cable through an open window, so for security reasons I couldn't have the kiln going overnight or if I went out. Think I'll have to have to bite the bullet and have a go at garaging now though, I'm fed up of losing half of my beads to thermal shock  Shocked
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