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MangoBeads
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« on: August 18, 2013, 08:34:57 AM »

This is a sticky subject and this is something I am working on to clarify the situation over how i see things if you take a class or buy a tutorial from me.  I would welcome your constructive views on this. This is not aimed at anybody and I will not tolerate the use of specific examples in this thread. 

I would be interested to hear if you can think of any more questions I should add and also if I have carried my point sufficiently well.

Im anxious that people may be afraid to come anywhere near me after what has happened recently and would just like to clarify the situation as i see it. My aim is to produce a simple easy to understand document that perhaps others may also like to use.

Please respect the purpose of this thread Smiley


Commonly asked questions:

I have a tutorial and /or I have taken a class with you :

Is it OK to reproduce the beads we make together when I take a class with you and also those I have learnt from your tutorial?

Yes 

Is it OK to post pictures on the internet of what I have made?

Yes

Is it Ok to sell what i make in my Etsy shop or elsewhere?

Yes

Is it OK to use the same colours?

Yes  I would like to see you experiment but its fine to use the colours we have discussed and used together.

Is it OK to use the techniques you showed me in other designs of my own?

I would hope that you would indeed try to do this.

Is it OK to use the techniques you taught me to replicate any new work you make after my class with you?

No 

Is it OK to teach your special techniques either from Tutorials or from Classes I have taken with you to my friends?

I would rather not but on an informal basis its OK.

Is it OK to teach your techniques from classes and tutorials in a studio situation and advertise that I am doing so?

No 

I would really value your input on this and hope that it may clarify a few issues .
Thanks everybody
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2013, 08:42:03 AM »

Hi Manda

The only bit I think is ambiguous is this:

"Is it OK to use the techniques you taught me to replicate any new work you make after my class with you?

No "

I can see a situation where I might start experimenting with your techniques and come up with an idea on how to use them in something new.  What if you then, at more or less the same time, came up with the same idea and then you started to market those beads?  Or I start to market mine?  How do we know who came up with it first? Do you need to add some further clarification here about at EXACTLY what point this would become a problem?  

Also, what if I replicate new work of yours (chance would be a fine thing!!)  but don't sell it - but start wearing it and showing my friends?  Is that ok?

Hope that's helpful,
Helen xx


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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2013, 08:49:32 AM »

Mmmmmm yes I see that how else could I word it ? It's really identical design I'm meaning .. I can see exactly where you are coming from.  I think it's something unlikely to happen but needs to be included in some way - need to re think that - thanks Helen Smiley

And the other question is a good one and also absolutely fine Smiley I will edit and add that ...

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2013, 09:38:39 AM »

That all sounds very reasonable and very generous to me.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2013, 02:09:57 PM »

I think this could be a useful tool for all tutors ... although I've just thought of another question:
Can I replicate your Code of Conduct?  Grin

Seriously though, most written tutorials contain at least a sentence intended to cover the purchaser's rights to the techniques or design therein, but I've always been very wishy washy about this.  And I've never taken a class where students have been required to sign any kind of contract, but I'm in a similar situation to you in that I also rely solely on my beadmaking and tuition for my income, so I think it's certainly time to get more business-like about this.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2013, 02:39:06 PM »

You will only ever be able to cover yourselves to a certain extent.  Even with contracts for people attending a class with you etc, there's still nothing to stop someone talented just figuring out how you made your bead, and then plain copying your work and selling it, even if they have NEVER bought a tutorial from you, or been on one of your classes.  I'm guessing there's diddly squat you can do about that short of taking them to court and trying to prove they stole your idea.  

There's a certain Etsy shop run by a Netherlands lampworker which doesn't feature one single original item - every single thing in it is a blatant copy of someone else's work... but not much that can be done about it I'm guessing.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2013, 02:54:33 PM »

Absolutely - but I feel that those that take classes may feel happier if they have answers before they come - I would never dream of using this as a contract but just as guidelines to common sense . Perhaps sent as a booking confirmation or something.
It's never going to solve the copying problem but just might go a small way to bridging the gap maybe . I think there is so much confusion surrounding the subject and not only confusion but fear of doing the wrong thing - and I think it's really hard for people starting out in this new hobby .
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2013, 03:00:31 PM »

I think that's fine Manda.  I guess all I'm saying is that even if you had used something like this historically, I'm not sure it would have prevented your current issue.  In my experience, 99% of the population are honourable, sensible and pretty honest.  Unfortunately the other 1% are out and out scallywags, who know full well that what they are doing is seriously unethical, but don't care a jot.   For that small minority the presence of written guidelines etc is unlikely to have an impact because the bottom line is that they really DON'T CARE what you, or anyone else thinks of their conduct.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2013, 03:37:21 PM »

 I think you are right Helen and I think it's also correct that fortunately we are talking about a very small minority -I  just hope that it might clarify things for people especially as I have had a few messages from people I've taught worried that they are doing something wrong Smiley
The last thing I want is for people not to want to take classes with me Sad and so it is hoped that even if this thread gets few comments, it will be read and people will see that I'm not to be feared!
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2013, 03:49:20 PM »

You to be feared?!  Shocked You've got to be the one of the huggiest lovliest and most generous teachers I know  Grin

And I think as a relative newbie guidelines for classes would be good, to put my mind at rest and for me to know what I can do, otherwise I build up a whole pile of my own made up 'can't dos' in my head and I end up thinking I can't make anything because....   Wink I think we all like to know where we are  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2013, 03:51:38 PM »

Manda even though this situation does need to be clarified for all parties I do think you have no need to worry about people coming to future classes with you. Your work is stand alone quality and what you teach is so absolutely you not only could it not be found anywhere else but it couldn't be delivered by a nicer person, everyone who matters knows that.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2013, 03:54:42 PM »

Totally agree - I don't think anything that's happened online over the last week or so would put anyone off taking taking a class with you Manda!! You are a great teacher, make stunning beads and are lovely to boot.  You're only standing up for your rights, I can't see anyone having an issue with that!  Wink Smiley Cheesy Grin
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2013, 04:02:28 PM »

I somehow seem to have missed whatever has caused your consternation Manda, but I totally agree that you are a most generous teacher and make everyone feel welcome and confortable when they visit your studio.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2013, 05:02:56 PM »

I live with my head in the clouds and have also missed whatever has happened. Firstly I do hope you are ok mand. Secondly my lessons at your studio have been amazing your are so warm and lovely and immensely talented it is an honour to be taught by you. Xx
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2013, 05:09:40 PM »

I've missed it too (probably because I don't do FB), but I agree with Amanda and Susie - I love coming to your studio, and your lessons are wonderful!

Nick xxx
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