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Author Topic: Stained Glass/Mosaic panel question?  (Read 11389 times)
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Lloki
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« on: May 07, 2009, 07:41:02 AM »

Hi, I hope you lovely guys can help me;

I've been looking at an unfinished wall behind the hob in the kitchen for too long now - it's quite rough (chunks of plaster came off when I took the tiles off and we moved two sockets, etc...... you get the idea!)

Well, I've looked at commercial tiles/metal/glass splashbacks available and decided that I don't like any of them!

My idea is to create a stained glass type panel that I could fix into place and hide the monstrosity behind it!
The area is an inverted T shape, 120 x 30cm along the bottom, rising behind the hob to 75 x 60cm.
I thought about using plaster board (in three oblong sections), cutting my opaque 3mm glass (amazingly I do have an idea for that!) and "sticking" it to the board and then use a "coloured grout" as "lead" Undecided

I know it's not conventional stained glass - but it would be different Grin

Do you think plaster board is the way to go? I plan to assemble the panel before fixing in place and grouting in situ.
Also any advice on adhesives would be appreciated!!! I've never stuck glass to plaster board before and even though the glass is opaque, I'd like an adhesive that dried clear - E6000?

I know it sounds completely mad and that I don't know what I'm doing - it is and I don't, but it's good to experiment Cheesy
Any advice or better ideas would be greatly appreciated!


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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 07:43:46 AM »

I'm afraid I can't offer advice, but wanted to say WOW! It sounds fantastic.  Kiss
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 07:49:11 AM »

Thanks Cathryn,
It sounds good, but we'll see what happens in practice!
If I ever work out how to post a picture here I'll let you see the finished item - wont be this week though - I work s l o w............ Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 08:08:32 AM »

Hi Ya,

What your describing is very similar to a stained glass technique called Applique. Although with applique  you glue your glass pieces onto sheet of glass rather than plasterboard. But the idea is exactly the same. Once you have glued your glass into position you then use a black, grey or coloured grout in place of the lead. It is almost identical to a mosaic except it is created on a sheet of glass so you can still use it as a window or piece which light can show through.

If you were going to use glass as the base you would use a silicone adhesive to attach your pieces but to attach to plaster board I would use a wood glue. I've done the exact same thing to create a mirror on MDF and use a specific wood glue called Titebond. It really is fantastic.

When I used MDF as the baseboard I needed to seal the porous surface and used a diluted solution of titebond (you can also use PVA) about 2 parts glue to 1 part water. I then brushed this onto the surface of the wood to stop it from distorting the shape once you put your heavier glue on top. I'm not sure if you would need to do this with the plasterboard or not though.

Sounds fantastic!!! Have Fun!
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 08:22:49 AM »

Hi there,

I agree with stacy about sealing the plasterboard properly before you apply the glass. What about using some hardboard instead, a lot less porous.....

Good luck sounds like a great idea.

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 08:35:15 AM »

Thanks Stacy/Kerensky,

I'd never thought of using glass as a base - think I just wanted to take the easy route to cover up the wall.
I thought about using MDF/hardboard, but thought I'd need to keep the base white so it didn't darken the colours too much?
Going to have a look at Titebond - never heard of that, but I like the name!!!
Also some netting required on Applique, sounds very similar!

What's great is that nobody has said "Noooooooo, that's not possible!" Makes me feel that it really is achievable - I'm becoming more inspired by the minute, thank you Cheesy

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 08:46:39 AM »

Cerri - probably a bit of a random thought......have you thought about doing the applique thingy onto a thin mirrored surface and attaching that to the wall on MDF? Too heavy??

Sounds like you have a really FAB idea there  Grin  xx
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 09:15:00 AM »

Haze - thanks for that!
Another great idea! I really hadn't thought of glass on glass - how dumb am I?
I just thought it would be easier to apply most of the Applique (NOW I know what it's called! Roll Eyes) to the board, leaving gaps for the screw fixings, fix board to wall and then cover fixings with glass and then grout, so that they would be invisible, I was thinking of doing that along the board joins as well - just thought it would look neater?
One things for sure, once it goes up, it wont be coming down again - hopefully! Wink
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 09:28:43 AM »

Just don't patent your amazing idea before I get around to trying it too  Wink xx
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 09:46:29 AM »

LOL!!!!

No, it was thanks for YOUR great mirror idea, not mine - after all, I didn't even know what I was talking about was called until Stacy told me Grin

Right, off to go and get my wires crossed elsewhere!!!
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2009, 05:16:00 AM »

I was thinking of doing something similar in my loo. I intend to use a modification of the method described by Karen Seymour.  I bought 4 of her glass on glass books at the time due to the postage & the author signed them all.  I'm not sure where the others are now but if you are interested I could have a look in the garage & you could have a copy if I find them.  It's useful for info on grouting & cutting etc.  See the link
www.seymourstainedglass.com/book.html
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2009, 09:21:11 AM »

Have a look at http://www.expertvillage.com/video-series/58_mosaics.htm  for some tips and tricks. The mosaics I've done have been on off cuts of MDF. Glue used was PVA adhesive and grouting with ordinary wall and tile grout. Here's the rose mosaic,

This was done about 10 years ago. I don't think I sealed the MDF seperately but the PVA would have worked for this I believe. I've also done some mosaic on a couple of concrete stepping stones that are out in all weathers in the garden.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2009, 06:36:14 AM »

Geraldine, thank you for the offer of the books - but the internet fairy made me go to Amazon and made me buy four books on stained glass, so I've got a lot of reading to do!!! Grin If I can't find all the answers in them, I may get back to you!!! (Mind you, when I go looking for something I know I've got somewhere, I end up spending at least half a day playing with things that I'd forgotten I'd got and still not finding what I want - if you know what I mean!!!)

Pat, that rose is really beautiful!
That is exactly the type of effect I visualised. From all the advice here I think I'll end up using MDF (it'll be easier to fix to the wall than glass I think) and PVA. I had wondered about using "normal tile grout", looks like that's the way to go!
Just out of interest, how big is the panel? Thinking those mosaic squares must be very small!
Thanks for the link to expertvillage - some great ideas! Again, I never thought to look there! Doh Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2009, 06:45:46 AM »

Going to have a look at Titebond - never heard of that, but I like the name!!!
Shocked  CERRI, honestly woman, I'm shocked at you  Cheesy

I did something like this when I was a teenager (many, many moons ago) on the lid of a big wooden box I had, it looked gorgeous, so on a wall it would look completely amazing........can I come and help!?!?  Now you've had the drive done I can get my car up to you and everything!!!  Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2009, 05:30:18 PM »

LOL - well, you can't beat a bit of tight bondage!!! Wink

Of course you can come over Helen, your new purple baby's exhaust will be safe now - you'll have to bring your own ropes though!!! Grin

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