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[puffin]

So if the hubby makes it as safe as it is in the garage now with the propane it should be ok in the box room ?

The garage now is attached to the house so only difference is a solid wall in-between really but I know when we get straight again and settled the hubby would want me outside in a shed .

[Cecilia]

I am still working on the kitchen table after 3 years or so, I open the windows and back door and keep my propane in the corner under the fish tank. We keep planning different places but they have yet to get actioned. It does mean I have to be tidy and pack it all away each time, which is not a thing that comes naturally to me.

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[puffin]

Looks like the box room is the way to go !!!!

At least I will be warm 

[Magpie]

I'm the same as Heather, permanently camped on the kitchen table (we eat in the dining room). My stuff only gets put away if we're throwing a party or something similar. The propane sits outside the back door, but came inside last winter as it was just a bit chilly.

David did offer me part of the shed he built at the bottom of the garden, the kids have a 10 foot square room and the rest is the 'garden shed', he'd have made it a bit bigger and kitted it out for me if I'd said yes, but the thought of walking down the bottom of the garden in the peeing rain and pitch dark, or through all the cobwebs the spiders string across the path put me off somewhat.

[Krysia@No98]

I live in a two bed flat, my bedroom is the small bedroom and I have everything set up in the master bedroom (Mum HATES it, for the first three months after I moved in she went on and on about it, but, what is the point of using the second largest room to be asleep in?  and lets face it when any 'activity' goes on in the bed room, it tends to be focused 'on' the bed  )

I keep the propane tank inside all the time, the only time it goes in or out is when I am getting a new one.  I have alarms and sensors all round it and I bleed the pipes after every use.

I can't really put it out side, it would get pinched or the stupid children upstairs would fiddle with it.  Also I am not allowed to make any holes in the walls from outside to in

I have proper ventilation.  It goes out through the air brick so again I haven't needed to make holes in the walls.

The insurance company said that I could have up to 25kg of gas in the flat before they felt that the policy would need changing.  (On the proviso that I'm not running a business...)  Maybe a conflab with the insurance company will put the hubby's mind at rest?

[puffin]

that you have propane in the flat and knowing i will not be the only one makes me feel so much better. Many Thanks for that  

Plus I will at least be warm this winter I hope  

[GalwayGal]

Hi, Newbie here,
Those that work in a room in their house- Is there any prob with home insurance?
I really want to set my studio up in a spare room but DH wants me in a shed as he thinks I'm careless and will burn our house down!
Any Advice?
GG

[Krysia@No98]

For me there wasn't a problem because I am doing mine as a hobby.

The contents people told me that if I was to change to business then they wouldn't insure the business stuff but they would insure everything else.

The buildings insurance people will only insure me as a hobby because I live in a flat and the lease forbids businesses.

But ring your insurance companies and talk to them even if it is just a hobby.  If/when you are ready to take to selling your glass creations then talk to the insurance companies again, they chances are that they will give you a very high quote but there are other insurance companies that specialise in scary art/craft businesses that will be happy to give you a more reasonable quote.

[Fruddy]

So if the hubby makes it as safe as it is in the garage now with the propane it should be ok in the box room ?

The garage now is attached to the house so only difference is a solid wall in-between really but I know when we get straight again and settled the hubby would want me outside in a shed .

I read somehwere (and I can't for the life of me remember where it was now!) that the Fire Brigade will not enter your premises in the event of a fire unless it is to save human life, if there is a propane bottle in your house.  Apparently, it can blow your house and that of your neighbours on either side sky high if a fire breaks out and even smash every window on your street.  I'm also not sure how it would affect your house insurance - if there was a fire and consequently a huge explosion that absolutely devastated your property as a result of a propane bottle, then your insurers may well refuse to indemnify you.

Personally..... I would either find somewhere outside of your property (such as a shed) to work in, or make sure that your propane is kept outside.  At the very least, check the small print on your house insurance policy to make sure.

Just to be safe.

[♥♥Tan♥♥]

I'm a corner of the kitchen girl, everything is squeezed in there from floor to ceiling and I work beside the back door so I open it for ventilation.

And brilliant news on your move I know you were unhappy where you were

[Krysia@No98]

So if the hubby makes it as safe as it is in the garage now with the propane it should be ok in the box room ?

The garage now is attached to the house so only difference is a solid wall in-between really but I know when we get straight again and settled the hubby would want me outside in a shed .

I read somehwere (and I can't for the life of me remember where it was now!) that the Fire Brigade will not enter your premises in the event of a fire unless it is to save human life, if there is a propane bottle in your house.  Apparently, it can blow your house and that of your neighbours on either side sky high if a fire breaks out and even smash every window on your street.  I'm also not sure how it would affect your house insurance - if there was a fire and consequently a huge explosion that absolutely devastated your property as a result of a propane bottle, then your insurers may well refuse to indemnify you.

Personally..... I would either find somewhere outside of your property (such as a shed) to work in, or make sure that your propane is kept outside.  At the very least, check the small print on your house insurance policy to make sure.

Just to be safe.

God!! that's a bit melodramatic!     Don't you think if that was the case that there would be far more security and checks involved when you bought the things!

I think some one has been scaring you unnecessarily there.  Neither of my insurance companies batted an eye lid when I told them about the gas tank being in the flat and they weren't really fuss about knowing what I did with it so long as I didn't make money.

BUT I would strongly recommend telling your insurance company that there is one at your property just in case they try and use it as a get out clause to pay out on a claim (see insurance company not paying out on dad's insurance when he had a heart attack because he hadn't put down that he'd had knee surgery, which he left out at the instructions of the guy selling it to him even though he was sitting there with it all trussed up two days after having it done)

[puffin]

thanks tan about the move  strange i am excited about leaving , my husband who has been south is excited about coming back.

my propane is in the garage now and could still blow up the house, plus I have a super massive one that does the oven right outside that would defo blow up the south side of the house. it is massive and we do not turn it off or bleed the pipes like i do when beading.

I expect my husband will put me outside in the end , but if I am in the warm and he will set it up when we get back and if others on here do it and have been for years then that puts my mind at rest.

Up here I have learn't that living in the south made me too health and safety ott. As long as I am careful and it is only a temp time then I am gonna give it a go.   

I already have an idea where the new shed will go just hope the hubby will do it 

[Fruddy]

I already have an idea where the new shed will go just hope the hubby will do it 

Make a nuisance of yourself nagging and mithering about it puffin and he will cave in eventually!   

[Fruddy]

So if the hubby makes it as safe as it is in the garage now with the propane it should be ok in the box room ?

The garage now is attached to the house so only difference is a solid wall in-between really but I know when we get straight again and settled the hubby would want me outside in a shed .

I read somehwere (and I can't for the life of me remember where it was now!) that the Fire Brigade will not enter your premises in the event of a fire unless it is to save human life, if there is a propane bottle in your house.  Apparently, it can blow your house and that of your neighbours on either side sky high if a fire breaks out and even smash every window on your street.  I'm also not sure how it would affect your house insurance - if there was a fire and consequently a huge explosion that absolutely devastated your property as a result of a propane bottle, then your insurers may well refuse to indemnify you.

Personally..... I would either find somewhere outside of your property (such as a shed) to work in, or make sure that your propane is kept outside.  At the very least, check the small print on your house insurance policy to make sure.

Just to be safe.

God!! that's a bit melodramatic!    Don't you think if that was the case that there would be far more security and checks involved when you bought the things!

Someone called Stuart The Gasman posted that information on here........ I read it before I bought my set up when I was doing research......

Extract below.
If exposed to enough heat a bottle of propane can cause an explosion powerful enough to destroy a house, and the neighbours and blow out all the windows in your street. This type of explosion is called a BLEVE (Burning Liquid Expanding Vapour Explosion). Heat on the bottle causes the liquid propane to boil and the pressure in the bottle increases dramatically. The heat also weakens the bottle. When the bottle bursts a cloud of propane is instantaneously ejected and mixed with the surrounding air. Almost instantaneously this ignites causing a concussive explosion. Calor gas bottles are designed so that the valve mechanism insert is weaker than the bottle, this should mean that the top of the bottle should blow off before the pressure reaches a point where the explosion will very serious.

If there is a propane bottle stored inside your house the fire brigade will only enter your house to save life. After saving life, their first priority will be to cool the bottle, even if it means the rest of your house is left to burn down. Could the fire brigade get a water hose onto your gas bottle from outside the house if there is a fire?

Calor gas guidelines do not allow propane to be stored indoors. (Butane can be because it has a much lower pressure and poses a lower risk.)
http://www.calor.co.uk/customer-services/lpg-safety/lpg-cylinder-storage/cylinder-storage-information/
http://www.calor.co.uk/customer-services/lpg-safety/lpg-cylinder-storage/full-and-empty-cylinders/
http://www.calor.co.uk/documents/43/original/code-of-guidance-for-storage-of-cylinders.pdf

Just because your house hasn't burnt down and your gas bottle has caused a problem in the last 20 years doesn't mean it wont happen tonight.

If your propane bottle comes into contact with fire it is placing everyone in your house and your neighbours at risk of death. It is illegal to store propane inside a domestic property for good reason.

Would you expect a fireman to enter a burning house containing a gas bottle to save the life of your family?

Stuart

[Tracy]

hmmm well the fire brigade came into our up stairs flat, passed the gas bottle and took the torch off the desk...thats all they did. They left it connected and everything, no comments were made apart from ' your smoke detector is out of date, we will put up a new one for you'

The fire downstairs was caused by the fridge freezer and would of killed them downstairs and us with 2 lungs full, it is apparently very common.

Two weeks after this a neighbours car was set light to, it had a can of lighter gas on the back seat, now that went BOOM and the street was evacuated lol after it went boom! I think that if they were worried they would of done the same with my gas bottle.....dont you?