Ruby Gold Bright and Silver

[LampyLou]

I was following the tutorial for this combination, transparent base, double layer of silver leaf and dots of RGB but instead of the lovely colours I expected all I got was a brown colour.  Any ideas where I went wrong?

Thanks

Julia

[SilverGems89]

hmmmm well most pinks don't like silver and give a brown reaction so i'm not really sure why a tutorial would tell you to put them together...unless there is meant to be another glass in between the RGB and the silver?

[Magpie]

You mean like this?.....

Pink over silver leaf by HelenPetersBeads, on Flickr

As Gemma says the silver reacts with the gold which gives the pink its pink colour so you need to put a thin layer of clear between the silver and the pink, like this.....

Pink over silver leaf by HelenPetersBeads, on Flickr
Sorry, didn't realise it was so fuzzy.

But make sure the clear covers all the silver or you'll get orange patches, even theough they're not easy to see in real life.

Pink over silver leaf by HelenPetersBeads, on Flickr

[LampyLou]

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119760&highlight=hollow+beads

This was the tutorial.  Have I misunderstood the colour names or something?  I did melt in the silver, perhaps I'll give it one more go....

Julia x

[Veebee]

I think they are refering to rubino oro, the expensive effetre one rather than the reichenbach but I can't be sure?

[LampyLou]

That would explain it! 

Thank you.

[jammie]

Yep rubino! They look lovely beads magpie, I didn't know you could put a clear layer over the silver. I've never yet got my silver to stay 'on' it always disappears.

[Magpie]

I didn't know you could put a clear layer over the silver.

You can do anything you want! That's half the fun

Warm the bead up well, burnish it in properly (for non tech speak translate to roll bead on marver so the silver sticks), at this point don't stick the bead back in the flame for more than a couple of milliseconds or you'll burn off all that silver, encase with thin layer of clear, now you can heat it as much as you want, cover with pink. Delete the layer of clear if you're going for colours other than pink.

This was the tutorial. 

In the top set she's using the reaction of the rubino with the silver to give orange colours and adding in the blue to give the two coloured 'triangles', plus orange and blue mixed bits.
In the second set she's using the reaction to give an orange base and then another dot of the rubino to stay pink, coz the pink colour looks fantastic with orange under it. It should work with any colour of pink, that orange bead I showed, I made 3 of them, one from Cranberry, one Pink Lady and one Rubino, they all went a similar burnt orange colour. The original thread's here.

The sciency bit, feel free to ignore this bit. They use gold compounds to make the pink, gold is notoriously unreactive (that's why it's found as pure gold in mineral deposits) and most other metals are more reactive, so when another metal comes along, in this case silver, you'll get the silver displacing the gold from the compound, so instead of silver and gold chloride (or whatever compounds they use) you'd get gold and silver chlorides, the silver chlorides being a different colour to gold chlorides. Thinking about it this may be fun, has anyone got any copper/nickel/lead leaf? Coz they should give blues/greens/yellows.

[jammie]

Ah thanks, its the miloseconds bit I have been doing wrong, will try it again with that in mind. 

[awrylemming]

Oh, me me, I'll give that a go next time I torch if I have time