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Title: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: sparrow on November 01, 2008, 02:33:06 AM
I'd be happy to set one up, if mods tell me what to do re: hosting? I'm sure once it's up and structured, it'd get populated in no time?!


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki?
Post by: Chameleon on November 01, 2008, 03:59:19 AM
YAY  ;D im sure we will have no problem poulating it at all lol


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki?
Post by: dangerousbead on November 01, 2008, 06:32:41 AM
durrr... wots da wiki?


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki?
Post by: garishglobes on November 01, 2008, 06:40:20 AM
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wots da wiki
Thank goodness you asked!  ;D ;D I'm meant to be a geek but I've never really understood wikis ::) ::)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki?
Post by: sparrow on November 01, 2008, 06:41:17 AM
A wiki is an online collaborative webpage (think wikipedia) - you have different sections, but unlike a forum, where things move down the page, a wiki can be re-edited all the time, adding stuff to it, by anybody. It was mooted at some point to set up a wiki with all the tutorials, hints, tips, etc. - to avoid the same questions being asked and to build up a bank of expertise.

Dat's da wiki  ;D (and it's 'da' wiki because 'da' is all I hear at home at the moment  ;D)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki?
Post by: kevie192 on November 01, 2008, 09:43:47 AM
I've just done a search and turned this up: http://www.wikidot.com/

Might be a good option? I definitely think it would be a great idea!

Kevin x


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki?
Post by: TheJanie on November 07, 2008, 06:07:44 AM
I've been setting up wiki software on our server for the past week - I hadn't heard anything about one on Frit-Happens before now so thought I was being original!

I was about to start a thread taking suggestions for a name but now I've see this.... Don't want to step on anyone's toes or anything!

So unless anyone's got any further with this, do we want to go ahead with the software I've already installed?



Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: sparrow on November 07, 2008, 06:45:11 AM
I've shouted for the mods to make an executive decision :) I think it was Les, though, and she's a bit out of circulation at the mo?


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: *rowanberry* on November 07, 2008, 07:27:14 AM
I suggested one a loooooooooooooooooooong time ago but my suggestion went off into the ether I think  ;)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Bumpy Beads on November 07, 2008, 07:29:15 AM
Eeek, did this fall off the radar? I'll raise it again in the back office and see what we can get sorted.


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: sparrow on November 07, 2008, 07:30:34 AM
Thanks Heather :)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: TheJanie on November 07, 2008, 07:33:03 AM
Just to add - I don't know how much of a plus point it is, but as the software I've installed is hosted on our server (eddie - who has his very own room upstairs!) it wouldn't cost anything and there'd be more-or-less 24 hour support.  Thanks to my insomnia I'm often awake when Gavin is asleep!  ::)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Dickie on November 07, 2008, 08:05:00 AM
We could host a Wiki on the FH server... that shouldn't be a problem...

Janie... given the high bandwidth and usage FH gets I'm not sure that hosting from home would work out for you... Not unless you are happy not being able to surf the internet for large parts of the due, due to all the Hits it would generate.
Plus if we wanted it under the frit-happens.co.uk name, then it would need to be hosted on our servers anyway.


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Kaz on November 07, 2008, 08:41:41 AM
So, we can have a Wiki, Dickie; how quickie can we have a Wiki Dickie. I wouldn't dream of taking the Mickey about how quickie we could have a Wiki Dickie!  ;D


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: TheJanie on November 07, 2008, 08:43:21 AM
Janie... given the high bandwidth and usage FH gets I'm not sure that hosting from home would work out for you... Not unless you are happy not being able to surf the internet for large parts of the due, due to all the Hits it would generate.

Fair enough :)  I'll uninstall this stuff then.... let me know if I can help with the wiki in any way :)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: bluefairy on November 07, 2008, 08:56:28 AM
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So, we can have a Wiki, Dickie; how quickie can we have a Wiki Dickie. I wouldn't dream of taking the Mickey about how quickie we could have a Wiki Dickie! 

LMAO   ;D :D ;D


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on November 07, 2008, 09:17:32 AM
Ah yes, many moons ago Stacy and I did a lot of work towards this and it kind of fell by the wayside, we did a fair old bit of work between us, I know I don't have it anymore do you Stace?


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Zeldazog on November 07, 2008, 11:43:27 AM
So, we can have a Wiki, Dickie; how quickie can we have a Wiki Dickie. I wouldn't dream of taking the Mickey about how quickie we could have a Wiki Dickie!  ;D


PMSL!!


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Kaz on November 07, 2008, 12:51:37 PM
So, we can have a Wiki, Dickie; how quickie can we have a Wiki Dickie. I wouldn't dream of taking the Mickey about how quickie we could have a Wiki Dickie!  ;D


PMSL!!
I understand that these things can be a bit tricky...


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: sparrow on November 07, 2008, 01:04:04 PM
But we're not picky....


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: dinah46 on November 07, 2008, 01:20:53 PM
Where's the groaning smiley when you need one ::)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: mizgeorge on November 07, 2008, 01:25:04 PM
I think we should make this a sticky ;)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: sparrow on November 07, 2008, 01:41:47 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Kaz on November 07, 2008, 02:09:26 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: juliet on November 07, 2008, 03:32:09 PM
http://theglasshaven.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

I found that a few days ago.  Its quite empty but its got a good list of links to videos.


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Hels4444 on November 07, 2008, 03:37:38 PM
If dicky is finding it tricky we could give him a big licky or even a hicky!!!!!

Sorry one glass of wine!!!!


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: saffie on November 07, 2008, 03:39:01 PM
PMSL completely Kaz you are so funny!!!


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: sparrow on November 07, 2008, 03:40:22 PM
If dicky is finding it tricky we could give him a big licky or even a hicky!!!!!

Sorry one glass of wine!!!!

Sorry, I've had a glass of wine too (well, mead), but: speak for yourself (no offense, Dickie!!)  ;D ;D


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Hels4444 on November 07, 2008, 03:43:28 PM
One glass and I am not fussy if dickie wants a good lickie I am not pickie but he might find me a bit tricky!!!!

lol

Hels


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Hels4444 on November 07, 2008, 03:55:57 PM
I can't believe I posted that all I can say is the rhyming thing got the better of me!!!! 

sorry

Hels


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Dickie on November 07, 2008, 04:34:03 PM
LOL..... er...OK


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Dickie on November 07, 2008, 08:02:44 PM
Sneak update...


We are almost there.... we just need to put the finishing touches to it, but it won't be long... :)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: sparrow on November 08, 2008, 12:55:11 AM
Night shift?  ;D


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Dickie on November 08, 2008, 12:07:14 PM
Yeah... just a bit... I realised that while doing the wiki...(yes there is one now) that the forum needed updating as well...

OK... who's wants to start editing the Wiki?

How do you guys think it should work... should everyone be able to edit, or maybe only member with a particular post count to prove they are "real".
Or maybe only specific members who are given that task can edit the wiki...

Let me know...


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: sparrow on November 08, 2008, 12:17:32 PM
Maybe a post count would be a good idea? Same as Jo's RAOGK list? Otherwise, if it's open to everybody, you'll get spam really quickly.......and maybe those new to FHF are also more likely to be new to lampworking (not all, bust most?), and thus more likely to read rather than add?


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: TheJanie on November 08, 2008, 12:40:28 PM
I always understood that the point of a wiki was that it was freely collaborative, i.e. anyone can update the content.

Otherwise, it's just another informational website  and information gets held up whilst it's "approved", defeating the point of having installed specifically wiki software.

Each page maintains a history so if anyone is abusing it, it's quickly identified.  Of course, registration is a must, but it should be open for all contribution....



Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: sparrow on November 08, 2008, 12:43:09 PM
I see your point Janie.  :) Guess it depends on registration procedures and amount of moderating available (a number of blogs I run get up to 20 spam registrations a day, and my guess this one would get more?)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: TheJanie on November 08, 2008, 12:51:31 PM
I see your point Janie.  :) Guess it depends on registration procedures and amount of moderating available (a number of blogs I run get up to 20 spam registrations a day, and my guess this one would get more?)

Moderation is also a must - it's only the free participation and distribution of collected knowledge that I think needs to stay in place to maintain the point of having a wiki...

And I'm guessing that if it's open to editing, there are enough of us here to be ready, willing and able to correct any errors ;)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Dickie on November 08, 2008, 12:57:43 PM
For your info the registration is tied into the forum.. so if you are a member of the forum you are on the Wiki, but we are in control of whether you get to edit or not... we could allow anyone who is a member to be able to edit, or only allow people with say 25 posts be able to edit. This would then rule out those that register on the forum JUST to be able to trash the Wiki... personally I don't think anyone would go to the effort of that, just to vandalise a Wiki (that can be reverted anyway...)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: saffie on November 08, 2008, 01:01:13 PM
This would then rule out those that register on the forum JUST to be able to trash the Wiki... personally I don't think anyone would go to the effort of that, just to vandalise a Wiki (that can be reverted anyway...)
sorry to be cynical biut why put orselves in that position or you anyway cos if someonedid vandalise it then someone has to sort it out!!! I think everyone but only after a certain amount of posts. not going to prescribe how many posts tho!!!


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: TheJanie on November 08, 2008, 01:05:25 PM
we could allow anyone who is a member to be able to edit, or only allow people with say 25 posts be able to edit. This would then rule out those that register on the forum JUST to be able to trash the Wiki... personally I don't think anyone would go to the effort of that, just to vandalise a Wiki (that can be reverted anyway...)

(IMHO only).... okeydoke, how about making it as open as possible to begin with and see how it goes?

Then if anyone tries to mess with it we can lock it down, trace their IP and hunt them down with our pointy mandrels  ;D

There has to be an element of trust otherwise there's no point in having a wiki at all.  People might be put off contributing if they have to meet a set of specified criteria and you never know, they might have some really interesting info to post!

Like I said, all IMHO :)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Dickie on November 08, 2008, 01:35:21 PM
Personally I think that everyone with a post count over about 25 should be able to edit... it's like a right of passage... If we open it up to everyone then we will get the "I'm going to register just to cause havoc" people.
25 is not many posts, and anyone who is not legit would probably be caught spamming/trolling before then anyway.

It just gives it some kind of regulation without excluding very many people at all...

But you are right, we also need several people to volunteer to be moderators, as we need people keeping an eye on things.


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on November 08, 2008, 01:40:54 PM
I like havoc ;D


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: saffie on November 08, 2008, 01:41:24 PM
are you asking for volunteers! Not sure if i have the skills but if i can help i would like to! What does a mod need to know???
Sam


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: TheJanie on November 08, 2008, 02:04:34 PM
I like havoc ;D

Me too - it can make things even more interesting ;)

Dickie, I can see your point.  To draw a comparison, though, I feel that if we'd told people that they had to post 25 times in the newbie section on FHF before joining in generally, we wouldn't have as dynamic, active and lively forum as we do....

If you'll have me, I'd be happy to help with moderation?  As I've already mentioned, I'm a terrible insomniac so often have time on my hands overnight (and a laptop by the bed!)



Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: sparrow on November 08, 2008, 02:22:46 PM
I'd be happy to help as well, whichever way it'll get done :)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Dickie on November 08, 2008, 02:50:01 PM
Dickie, I can see your point.  To draw a comparison, though, I feel that if we'd told people that they had to post 25 times in the newbie section on FHF before joining in generally, we wouldn't have as dynamic, active and lively forum as we do....

To be fair I don't think it's quite the same, as the forum is something/somewhere where people can chat and ask questions, regardless of their expertise or knowledge.

Whereas the Wiki is for dissemination of accurate and relevant information.

Now I'm not saying that someone with less than 25 posts is not going to have valuable info for the Wiki, but I just feel that saying that Anyone can edit, is just going to give us more work keeping it in order.

I do understand the purpose of a Wiki, but there are a huge number of people who have to work full time trying to keep Wikipedia under control.

In theory we should open it upto anonymous edit as well...(like Wikipedia) but I just don't feel happy with that approach,

Anyway, all help gratefully received.


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Dickie on November 08, 2008, 03:01:27 PM
BTW the 25 thing was only a figure plucked out of the air... It could be 5 or 50... to be honest there are more people with a post count < 25 than I thought.. there seem to be about 300 members with a post count less than 25
(Note: this does not include those who have NEVER posted)

And approx 150 members who have posted less than 5 times!!!


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: TheJanie on November 08, 2008, 03:04:29 PM
Now I'm not saying that someone with less than 25 posts is not going to have valuable info for the Wiki, but I just feel that saying that Anyone can edit, is just going to give us more work keeping it in order.

Yes, I can see that.  There's also the possibility that anyone who hasn't posted 25 times to FHF is very possibly a newbie and maybe wouldn't feel they could contribute (yet) to the wiki anyway...

I do understand the purpose of a Wiki, but there are a huge number of people who have to work full time trying to keep Wikipedia under control.

Wow!  Do you think we might get as popular as Wikipedia!?  ;D

That's a scary thought  :D

Anyway, all help gratefully received.

Anything to give something back to this fabulous FHF community - I have more time than glass expertise!  See?  I've posted way more than 25 times and *I* still don't think I'd have any glass info useful enough to put on the wiki!  ::)

Going back to my glass of Guinness now.... :)


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Dragonfire Glass on November 09, 2008, 02:55:13 AM
I'll volunteer, but would need lessons in what to do!


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Dickie on November 09, 2008, 06:46:36 PM
Without meaning to put anyone off, for those interested in having a go I suggest having a read though this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_edit

Don't worry you don't need to know all of it, but having a basic understanding of how a Wiki works and how to edit one is very useful.
Also as Wikipedia is editable by anyone you can also look at the "source code" for each page, just click on the "View Source" tab at the top of any page, to see "How it was done".


Title: Re: What happened to da wiki? Mod input???
Post by: Dickie on November 10, 2008, 04:42:41 PM
Well... it's here

http://www.frit-happens.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9394.0

Read on...