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Technical Forum => Studio/workspace/setup/equipment => Oxycon/Oxygen/Propane => Topic started by: Steampunkglass on April 03, 2014, 07:44:35 PM

Title: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Steampunkglass on April 03, 2014, 07:44:35 PM
I seem to have a plague of dying oxycons around me, I will replace them with one decent 10l when funds allow, but in the meantime has anyone had any experience/heard of anyone adding any sort of chamber in line to act as a reservoir pressure chamber to even out the output of two or three oxys? At the moment I'm going from nice flow to sometimes a pulsing flame as the oxycons no longer what to work together  ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Kaz on April 03, 2014, 08:32:48 PM
Hi Glenn
Bernard Stonor on Kangaroo Island Australia who I had a lesson with does this. He's in my FB friends list if you want to link up with him.
Kazx
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Kalorlo on April 03, 2014, 08:34:00 PM
They call it a holding tank, usually. Quite a few people on LE have done it.
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Post by: Redhotsal on April 03, 2014, 08:37:34 PM
Yes, Also in Australia - Nudibranch Art  Glass - Chris and Laurie do it. Check out their Facebook page and talk to them maybe. They're really friendly people and can probably give you lots of info.
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Steampunkglass on April 03, 2014, 09:10:27 PM
Thank you! I thought I'd heard of such a thing being done, but didn't know where to start looking, I shall investigate more (in-between bouts of kicking oxycons!)
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Hamilton Taylor on April 03, 2014, 10:32:24 PM
I do this...
:)
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Steampunkglass on April 03, 2014, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: Hamilton Taylor on April 03, 2014, 10:32:24 PM
I do this...
:)
yes, and I'm going to be picking your brains!  ;) (in a metaphorical way, not a zombie-apocalypse sort of way!)
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Redhotsal on April 04, 2014, 08:19:17 AM
Quote from: Steampunkglass on April 03, 2014, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: Hamilton Taylor on April 03, 2014, 10:32:24 PM
I do this...
:)
yes, and I'm going to be picking your brains!  ;) (in a metaphorical way, not a zombie-apocalypse sort of way!)

LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Ian Pearson on April 04, 2014, 10:20:14 AM
What about a oxy cylinders Glenn?

Ian

PS You are pictured in todays John O'Groat today. Not everyone can say that! Along with other students from last week
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Steampunkglass on April 04, 2014, 11:44:38 AM
I looked at them before and they worked out more expensive in the longer run, plus the safety issues.

Quote from: Ian Pearson on April 04, 2014, 10:20:14 AM
PS You are pictured in todays John O'Groat today. Not everyone can say that! Along with other students from last week
My apologies to all the people in John O'Groats who've had to look at my ugly mug whilst trying to eat their breakfasts!  :D :D :D I knew I should have put on something smarter!
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Post by: ARBeads on April 04, 2014, 01:23:24 PM
Trey Cornette did a tut way back, the photies are long gone but think it still makes sense.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080610103205/http://www.treycornette.com/holdingtanktutorial.html

Or something like this? I keep reading things but haven't got round to converting anything to our 240v . Shame we can't get cheap big oxycons like they can over the pond.


http://www.talkglass.com/forum/showthread.php?53608-Video-Mirage-on-Oxygen-Concentrator-System

I looked at homefill systems as well but again I've not found a uk supplier -  yet.

I currently run a mixed bag of 5/10Lpm machines t'eed up, but want to upgrade to a sidewinder/Bravo and keep wondering if my taped together babies will be up to the job.

A girl can never have a big enough torch.....

Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Steampunkglass on April 04, 2014, 01:36:58 PM
Interesting! Although three M20 20ltr oxycons tied together  :o :o :o :o :o wow!

This might be of interest, it seems a much simpler set up and doesn't use a compressor so won't store up as much oxygen, but I think this would be helpful to even out the flow and provide a little extra 'umph' when needed. Sadly the pictures are all missing though, but a quick google of 'portable air tanks' brings up loads (although all in the USA) http://web.archive.org/web/20080610103205/http://www.treycornette.com/holdingtanktutorial.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20080610103205/http://www.treycornette.com/holdingtanktutorial.html)
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Post by: ARBeads on April 04, 2014, 01:39:32 PM
Haha I just modified my post to add Trey link  ;D
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: ARBeads on April 04, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
I spend much to much time reading how to's instead of just getting on with making.
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Steampunkglass on April 04, 2014, 01:52:11 PM
Quote from: ARBeads on April 04, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
I spend much to much time reading how to's instead of just getting on with making.
you an me both  ;D
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Post by: raul24 on April 04, 2014, 01:52:55 PM
Cromwell.co.uk has portable air tanks made by air sip.
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Post by: Pat from Canvey on April 04, 2014, 02:42:18 PM
Quote from: Steampunkglass on April 04, 2014, 11:44:38 AM
I looked at them before and they worked out more expensive in the longer run, plus the safety issues.

Am I missing something Glen? Surely if you have a tank reservoir of oxygen it's no more or less dangerous than tanked oxygen, unless there is a large pressure difference. The Cromwell link is https://www.cromwell.co.uk/index.php?search_all=portable+air+tanks&search.x=35&search.y=10&p=advancedsearch&q=0 But is does specify that it's an air tank. There may be safety regulations regarding the thickness of the wall of tanks meant for storing oxygen under pressure.
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Steampunkglass on April 04, 2014, 02:50:49 PM
Ta for the link Raul!

It should be safer Pat as (for me at least) it's just to hold some extra pressure whilst working, and then it can be run down and empty at the end of the day. I think some of these bigger set-ups are as a substitute for having to rely on tanked oxygen, and huge torches that get through a lot in a very short space of time, which as you say are just as dangerous as commercial tanks and maybe more dangerous as they are home-made systems
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Hamilton Taylor on April 04, 2014, 03:47:32 PM
No, they aren't as dangerous; as you say Pat, there is a huge pressure difference. Bottles are around 2000psi when full; the tank I run pumps to 100psi or thereabouts. You don't need a huge pressure, it only has to be more than you need for the torch. Then, you put it through a regulator, same as you would on a bottle, and you're sorted! :-)
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: garishglobes on April 04, 2014, 04:32:50 PM
Not to hijack, but Ruth, if you are thinking of a Sidewinder, talk to me first  ;)

I need one of these homefill systems too at some point, I think...
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Pat from Canvey on April 05, 2014, 07:27:13 AM
Quote from: garishglobes on April 04, 2014, 04:32:50 PM
Not to hijack, but Ruth, if you are thinking of a Sidewinder, talk to me first  ;)
Who are you thinkig of aiming it at, Emma........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: garishglobes on April 05, 2014, 08:31:04 AM
 ;D ;D ;D

The question is, how to aim just one!  :D :D
Title: Re: Adding reservoir chamber for reliable oxygen supply?
Post by: Hotglass28 on April 05, 2014, 01:57:11 PM

found this.  With a bit of retro fitting or buying larger tanks from them. could be a solution.

Got a feeling they are expensive. one of them is 3,600 with vat.
http://www.healthoxygen.com/store/oxygen-cylinder-fillers.html