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Title: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 19, 2011, 02:04:27 PM
So, following on from the stumpsucker thread I thought I would ditch that and start one where we could discuss any new or unusual tools along with any useful links you may have?

Hopefully the more we can learn about what tools do the more we can broaden our horizons.


I will kick this off with a key mandrel

http://www.etsy.com/listing/40872083/jelveh-designs-key-mandrel

Easy to use, fun to use but if I am honest I use it very little but wouldn't part with it.


And a cabochon mandrel, no link but we have all seen them. I found it cumbersome and heavy to use and find it much easier onthe end of a rod or a mandrel so could have saved money there.



Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Blue Box Studio on February 19, 2011, 02:10:24 PM
And to think I sold off all my antique keys just before I took up lampworking :(  I'm yet to try cabs.

I use a borax dish, left over from my silver days for frit, and a small blue funnel courtesy of Tupperware to pour it back into the mini jars; they work perfectly together.  Guess it's not as unusual as a trunk blower or whatever that thing was ;) ;)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Billie on February 19, 2011, 02:12:50 PM
I love my key mandrel... but have a shortage of keys to use it with  ::)

Cabs... Yeah, cab mandrels were a wasted expenditure, but I hang onto them after all these years just in case I use them.  On the end of a rod is better  ;)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ScarletLeonard on February 19, 2011, 02:15:56 PM
One that I am yet to try but ohh it's certainly interesting
http://www.lauschalady.com/LLBeadDock.html

Cross holed beads, 3 hole beads etc. The site even has usage instructions.

dichroicimagery used to sell them but for some reason their site isn't working atm.

I'm intrigued by the key mandrel, one of those I kinda have to try it things.


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 19, 2011, 02:21:04 PM
Wow, something new already, that mandrel looks pretty fab but I wonder if it is difficult to use?


The other tool I forgot to say is a graphite reamer, I have two, a favourite with the sadly broken off and a hooge one, these are just brilliant for reopening loops or mouths of vessels. http://www.gpescientific.co.uk/view-sub-categories.php?subcatID=271&catID=92&mastercatID=6  Not any of these reamers exactly but you get the idea


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Blue Box Studio on February 19, 2011, 02:28:21 PM
One that I am yet to try but ohh it's certainly interesting
http://www.lauschalady.com/LLBeadDock.html


How do you get the cross bar out of the finished bead?  Does it pull out or am I being really stupid (again/still)?


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: sparrow on February 19, 2011, 02:31:30 PM
The T-section joint unscrews, I believe :)

My fish tweezers - I use them every single day (as in, them fish de-boning tweezers,from a culinary shop)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: MadelineBunyan on February 19, 2011, 02:41:17 PM
I can tell this thread is going to be dangerous!

I'm sure I have a whole box of keys somewhere, and I had thought about making them have beads on...


as for unusual tools...I don't have any to add right now. maybe its cause I don't think any of mine are that weird.


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Dragonfire Glass on February 19, 2011, 02:49:12 PM
I have keys but I'm waiting for when I feel brave enough to make a bead staight on to it


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Lilley on February 19, 2011, 02:51:35 PM
I can see this thread becoming a source of wish list things - like the graphite reamers...  just looked at the web page and there's other things there too  :)  ho hum wonder what the bank balance is looking like  ;)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 19, 2011, 02:52:40 PM
Do you have a pic Sabine? And what makes them better than say........eyebrow tweezers?

I love my stamp tweezers, the paddle shaped ones you can buy for lampworking or picking up stamps but I do have a very pointy pair that I nicked off a mate, I have no idea what they are for but they are sharp as heck and great for plucking out impurities.

Stamp
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PRINZ-STAMP-TWEEZERS-CRANKED-SPADE-SOLINGEN-STEEL-/270270273424?pt=UK_Stamps_Philatley&hash=item3eed5d1790

Very pointy
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EYELASH-EXTENSION-STRAIGHT-FINE-POINTED-TWEEZERS-5-5-/250694412589?pt=UK_HealthBeauty_Other_RL&hash=item3a5e8d292d


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: sparrow on February 19, 2011, 03:01:25 PM
Here are my fishies:

(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/0RbUSlHiQkKUgne3yxo79S5-aUEMxfAeuIz2erxqhuQyfIqN2t5FtLSAvoUxfipNAxQRpZOagg6f7UZthxRFP7IBkBWe5WLDqhyIwU0b54TK-z9NuIkDXKUbmJ8kj5Rb_5n-AvL1Z0WI6yQs-UhMxSP5QU4)

I think the gentle curve down the sides helps crinkle rose petals 'just so'...but, I have to admit, I'm quicker to go 'want want' about tools than I am about glass......  ::) ::)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 19, 2011, 03:03:30 PM
But they LOOK cool :D


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: MadelineBunyan on February 19, 2011, 03:07:58 PM
oh they do!
even if I never used them I'd love to have those on my desk!


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: sparrow on February 19, 2011, 03:35:48 PM
As I said, I use them every day  ;D ;D ;D More often than my marver, I think. Not as often as my *coughs* cone mandrel, blow mandrel, hot fingers........................the list goes on................................


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Kaz on February 19, 2011, 03:52:29 PM
Blummin Eck just ordered a key mandrel for the huge bunch of old keys I bought in Oz three years ago!
I love the rod holder from etsy.
Also have 2 cone mandrels, thimble mandrel and blowhole mandrel still in their wrappers!
Best tools are free gravity and heat!
Kazx


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 19, 2011, 04:01:59 PM
Yup, gravity is your friend, nearly typed gravy is your friend then


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: sparrow on February 19, 2011, 04:02:50 PM
That, too  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ScarletLeonard on February 19, 2011, 04:05:52 PM
But gravy is a very good friend too, and it can be useful in lampworking (only if you have a cold studio a hot mug of gravy and dunk bread in it yum)

Weirdness aside I would love to try a cone mandrel. But that's cause since I saw them I have had a design idea in my head.

If I had to think of my favourite tool I would probably say its the tin foil that holds my frit lol second place goes to my brass shapers.


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: SilverGems89 on February 19, 2011, 05:49:28 PM
i have a question, where on earth do you get keys from?
I only have one "unusual" tool, it is a laboratory spatula that i "borrowed" from my old job, its got the perfect curves for shaping certain anatomical parts on goddess beads  ;)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ScarletLeonard on February 19, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
I get my keys from the key cutters, I just asked them if they had any mortis keys that weren't cut exactly right. They just give them to me, I did get asked what on earth it was I was doing with them (back then it was wire wrapping them) they got very interested.



Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: GaysieMay on February 19, 2011, 06:35:04 PM
I've done a few keys lately and have lots more ready to go.  I just fused some of them onto a hot glass punty, not all worked but the others were hollow so I rammed them with a bamboo kebab skewer, worked a treat!  One of them that proved stubborn to the above I used my reverse action tweezers but they are not so easy to turn.

I'd love the key mandrel, but so far necessity has proved to be the mother of invention in my studio!


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Pat from Canvey on February 20, 2011, 04:04:29 AM
I've got a couple of marble cheese cutters from charity shops for 50p. The marble acts just like a large piece of graphite .
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/items/__marble+cheese+slicer_W0QQ_dmdZ2?rvr_id=211871701585&crlp=1472812721_284591_284611&UA=%3F*F%3F&GUID=d9a15df61280a0


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Lush! on February 20, 2011, 04:18:46 AM
I've got a boxful of old keys, might have to dig out the key mandrel again.

Got my keys from Ebay

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=old+keys&_sacat=See-All-Categories


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 20, 2011, 07:15:18 AM
Any pics Gemma? Pat you reminded me that my first marver was the base of an iron ;D


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Carol on February 20, 2011, 07:18:13 AM
My clever hubby made me a key mandrel - I'm ashamed to say I've not tried it yet  :-[. I shall get on the case today!


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ★★Terri★★ on February 20, 2011, 07:22:44 AM
I love my key mandrel... but have a shortage of keys to use it with  ::)


I usually see a fair number of these at most Vide Grenier.......I have a stash of them from way before I started bead making..........I just like the rusty old things ;D


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 20, 2011, 07:29:22 AM
Carol, bad wife, BAD WIFE, after all that hard work he put in for you >:( :D


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: fionaess on February 20, 2011, 07:32:00 AM
Im really lusting after a graphite reamer - any idea of prices on those Tan?


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 20, 2011, 07:37:03 AM
Absolutely no idea, both of mine came with other lampwork stuff that I bought from ebay over the years.


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: SilverGems89 on February 20, 2011, 07:43:23 AM
Any pics Gemma?
I'll snap one in a bit Tan, i'm currently covered in hair dye  ;D


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: jammie on February 20, 2011, 01:12:08 PM
Pat, does the marble work the same as graphite, I was considering getting a graphite tile but this would be cheaper.

 i like my little crowbar from mandabeads best.

http://www.mangobeads.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=5&category_id=27&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Blue Kiln Beads on February 20, 2011, 03:32:45 PM
Thanks Jammie, that's brilliant.  I was just about to chip in and tell everyone about this fab tool I used when I had some tuition with Lorna.  It wasn't one of Manda's, it was a homemade version made by a friend of Lorna's but it did the same job as Manda's tool.  I have been thinking about how I could get dad to make something similar but for 6 I think I'll take the plunge and get one of Manda's.


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: firedinglass on February 21, 2011, 03:52:03 AM
I Like the look of this but how do you use it ?  Is it any different to an ormal kind of pokey shaper thing?   :-\


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Pat from Canvey on February 21, 2011, 04:37:51 AM
Pat, does the marble work the same as graphite, I was considering getting a graphite tile but this would be cheaper.

Seems to.


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: jammie on February 21, 2011, 05:36:38 AM
Lisa, I use it for patting murrini, shaping ends, as a teeny marver, all sorts really.  :)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: GlassOcean on February 21, 2011, 05:59:35 AM
I use an IKEA spoon for barrels, a cake slice as a marver and I made my own key mandrel from a bent mandrel (I have a few  ::) ) and 24pence worth of washers, nuts and bolts from the local hardware shop!  It works a treat!!!


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Steampunkglass on February 21, 2011, 11:25:03 AM
Im really lusting after a graphite reamer - any idea of prices on those Tan?

Off Mandrel have them in a couple of different sizes!  ;D http://off-mandrel.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=115_116 (http://off-mandrel.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=115_116)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: fionaess on February 21, 2011, 11:30:12 AM
Thanks Glenn... expensive tho' - I wonder if I could adapt on of their graphite rods..... any suggestions as to how from anyone?


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 21, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
Pat, does the marble work the same as graphite, I was considering getting a graphite tile but this would be cheaper.

 i like my little crowbar from mandabeads best.

http://www.mangobeads.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=5&category_id=27&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1

It will Jean and lasts for aaaages.


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: TheJanie on February 21, 2011, 12:37:54 PM
I bought one of those artist's all-graphite pencils and peeled the covering off and it works nicely for various shapings and pokings :)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Steampunkglass on February 21, 2011, 12:39:42 PM
Thanks Glenn... expensive tho' - I wonder if I could adapt on of their graphite rods..... any suggestions as to how from anyone?
You could always get a plain rod and grind down the edges. I got one of the small rods a while back and ground the end down to a cone. Took ages though, I used a drill with a grinding stone attached and even that must have taken 20mins to get it right, and that was quite a thin stick.


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: fionaess on February 21, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
I bought one of those artist's all-graphite pencils and peeled the covering off and it works nicely for various shapings and pokings :)

oooohhhhh... off to Fleabay to have a looksee.... ;D


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: TheJanie on February 21, 2011, 12:57:52 PM
I bought one of those artist's all-graphite pencils and peeled the covering off and it works nicely for various shapings and pokings :)

oooohhhhh... off to Fleabay to have a looksee.... ;D

IIRC eBay wasn't the cheapest place but I can't remember where I found the one I ended up with! :-\


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Pat from Canvey on February 21, 2011, 01:41:16 PM
I got graphite rods from that cheapo bookstore (not online) whose name I can't remember. They have a section for artist tools etc.


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: elburnzo on February 21, 2011, 03:21:18 PM
I got graphite rods from that cheapo bookstore (not online) whose name I can't remember. They have a section for artist tools etc.

The Works?


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: kerensky on February 21, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
So, following on from the stumpsucker thread I thought I would ditch that and start one where we could discuss any new or unusual tools along with any useful links you may have?
.


I will kick this off with a key mandrel

http://www.etsy.com/listing/40872083/jelveh-designs-key-mandrel

Easy to use, fun to use but if I am honest I use it very little but wouldn't part with it.


Tan,  how easy is it to remove the key, before the bead cracks?  I am assuming that the mandrel and fittings are going to be pretty hot, or is it quite easy to just pop the key off and put it in the kiln, leaving the mandrel ready for another key?

K
XX


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: TheJanie on February 21, 2011, 04:50:06 PM
Tan,  how easy is it to remove the key, before the bead cracks?  I am assuming that the mandrel and fittings are going to be pretty hot, or is it quite easy to just pop the key off and put it in the kiln, leaving the mandrel ready for another key?

K
XX

From what I remember from the instructions that came with it, you're supposed to put the key in the kiln, still attached to the mandrel.

Yep, rather limiting :/  Either one key per beadmaking session or buy multiple key mandrels (I couldn't begin to afford that!).  That's also why I don't use my cabochon or thimble mandrels much...


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 21, 2011, 05:55:49 PM
Sorry, just seen this, the whole thing goes into the kiln so it is just one per session. I tended to make my usual beads then save the key one until last and really have a play to see what I could do with it, the same with the cab and thimble mandrels.


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: TheJanie on February 21, 2011, 06:07:06 PM
Sorry, just seen this, the whole thing goes into the kiln so it is just one per session. I tended to make my usual beads then save the key one until last and really have a play to see what I could do with it, the same with the cab and thimble mandrels.

I do the same - it's just when I've made one cab/thimble, I never want to stop and one and am always disappointed that I have to!  ::)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 21, 2011, 06:09:20 PM
Me too, don't you find one idea leads to another but its an epic anti climax!


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: TheJanie on February 21, 2011, 06:10:49 PM
Yes!  Especially when you've made one and it's gone a bit wrong and you think "If I'd just...." and you just don't *want* to wait until tomorrow to try it!


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: firedinglass on February 23, 2011, 07:40:05 AM
Thanks jammie, i'm convinced and at that price i ordered! :)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Pat from Canvey on February 23, 2011, 08:26:42 AM
I got graphite rods from that cheapo bookstore (not online) whose name I can't remember. They have a section for artist tools etc.

The Works?
Yes, the Works, having more senior moments these days.


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: chipperpottery on February 23, 2011, 08:36:43 AM
My DH made me my Key mandrell, it is almost the same as the one on etsy.
He is such a love... ::)


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Rockpooljewels on March 01, 2011, 07:12:19 AM
Im really lusting after a graphite reamer - any idea of prices on those Tan?

Sorry to jug in but is this what you are looking for? about 10 me thinks  ;D ;D ;D getting one myself, very useful

http://www.t4j.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&products_id=317

Mandy x


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: fionaess on March 01, 2011, 07:42:10 AM
Im really lusting after a graphite reamer - any idea of prices on those Tan?

Sorry to jug in but is this what you are looking for? about 10 me thinks  ;D ;D ;D getting one myself, very useful

http://www.t4j.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&products_id=317

Mandy x

Thanks Mandy.. being always the cheapskate I looked on Fleabay for the same thing and found this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Graphite-Stirring-Rod-12%1a.-For-Gold-%26-Silver.-1/2%22-Dia_W0QQitemZ350291589976QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=214418008645&rvr_id=214418008645&cguid=1649c99512e0a0aa126493f4fe2f34a8#ht_1352wt_905


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Rockpooljewels on March 01, 2011, 08:18:34 AM
yay, excellent, off to shop  ;D ;D ;D

xx

edited to add..it's the same company..how strange..oh well saves a few quid  ;D


Title: Re: Unusual lampworking tools.
Post by: Maria Louisa on March 01, 2011, 08:26:09 AM
My most unusual tool is a set of cheese knives, only 10 euro's for 4. Can use it for anything.
The only thing in this set I had no use for was the fork, so I've managed to change this (thanks to hubby's toolbox) into a straight short sharpe knife.