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Technical Forum => Studio/workspace/setup/equipment => Torches => Topic started by: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 03:42:58 PM

Title: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 03:42:58 PM
Well, I finally have everything and I feel like the biggest newb on the planet again  :-[
I don't know what does what anymore! So many things to twiddle.....
There's the knob on the propane bottle, how far should I turn that?
The regulator is a big knob, how far should I turn that?
I'm guessing I won't need to turn the knob on the HH itself much once I have twiddled the others properly.....?

And to bleed the pipes at the end of the session, do I turn off the bottle knob with the flame still going to burn off the gas?

Arrrgggh, can't believe I'm asking such stupid, fundamental questions!  >:(

Please help, Wanna Torch Wanna Torch Wanna Torch!!!!!  :'(

Thank you very much  ;D
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: helenfc on February 04, 2010, 04:21:32 PM
hello veebee! congratulations it arrived :)
ok, make sure the regulator is in really tightly to the propane take, I use a spanner. The regulator is usually 3/4 open although sometimes I find my flame is better if its about half way. Turn the gas on full (that way you know you are turning it off the right way  ::) ) then torch on full, light and away you go!! I bleed the pipes after every session as a habit by turning off the gas at the bottle then leaving the flame on til it goes out. then turn off the hothead knob.
hope that helps, your questions are not stupid at all and enjoy!!  ;D
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 04:35:45 PM
Helen, thank you!  :-*

Just waiting for my mandrels to dry (can't believe I forgot to do them, soooo out of practise!  ::) )

Whoooooooo!!!!!!

I can torch again  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: SilverGems89 on February 04, 2010, 04:37:34 PM
There's a knob on the hot head  ???
-scuttles off to have a looksee-
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Krysia@No98 on February 04, 2010, 04:45:43 PM
the twisty thing at the front

I am so glad you have everything - enjoy  ;D

(I tend to hold a lighter under my gas until there is nothing left to burn when I bleed my pipes, is that over kill?)
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Mand on February 04, 2010, 04:58:11 PM
Do you turn your HH knob all the way round then?  I just do mine half a turn ... doesn't seems to make any difference to the flame...?

My regulator came set at 4, what ever that means.... not much help am I. TTFN  ::) ;)

P.S. Have FUN!
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 05:02:09 PM
We are just putting it together now! I used to only turn my HH on about a quarter turn, more if the gas pressure was going. I guess with the regulator the HH knob just becomes an on/off switch.....
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: SilverGems89 on February 04, 2010, 05:05:43 PM
I just unwrapped my HH, it has got a knob on it  ;D
Its been sat on the dining room table still sealed for about 2 weeks so probbly about time i opened it and had a look anyway!
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Mand on February 04, 2010, 05:13:58 PM
Well thank god it's got a knob!  I thought Wot no  knob!! :o :P
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 06:01:44 PM
Well, I turned all my knobs in the appropriate fashion, and I can get the HH to light, but it starts to lose pressure almost immediately then PooF! The flame goes out  :'(
I have quite a long length of hose, does that make a difference?

Gonna be throwing my dummies out of my pram VERY soon Mwwwaaaaaa!
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Mand on February 04, 2010, 06:06:54 PM
Is the gas cold? Has it been stored outside?
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
We just got it today, do I need to let it warm up? How do people get on with storing their gas ouside then? Soooo frustrated!
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: jammie on February 04, 2010, 06:25:49 PM
have you tried the cover the hot head holes with foil while you light it and leave it on for a few seconds then take it off
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 06:27:30 PM
I have a foil collar in place so I'll give that a go now! Thanks  :D
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 06:48:02 PM
 :'(

Even without the oxygen from the holes it still starts to lose pressure straight away. It's almost as though it's just burning what is in the hose and not drawing anything from the cylinder itself, so the flame just burns itself out.....

:'(
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: helbels on February 04, 2010, 06:59:22 PM
Are you absolutely sure you have turned your propane on fully using the twisty knob on the tank... and turned your regulator the right way to open it fully?  Its a bit confusing because from memory one turns clockwise and the other turns anticlockwise, so if you turned them both the same way you may have turned one off without realising it?
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: jammie on February 04, 2010, 07:08:12 PM
yep regulator up to full helps , mine did this at first but it did work with the holes covered and the regulator on full, also the hot head knob on full
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 07:10:35 PM
Hmm, they turn different ways? We are definitely turning the bottle full on, there's an arrow telling you which way to tun it and everything  :D
When I first turned the regulator, I didn't know what 3/4 on was, so I erred on the side of caution and will admit I now can't remember which way it was going... I'll try turning my knobs in different directions and see how it goes  ;)
Did try with holes covered and everything up full (I think  ::) ) but no joy....
Thanks guys, gonna give it another go in a mo, fingers crossed!
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: julieHB on February 04, 2010, 07:29:52 PM
Hi Vicki - the regulator opens up more as you turn it downwards, so it feels as if you close it. It needs to be 3/4 or fully open.

Hope you can start soon!  :)
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 07:33:15 PM
We were turning the regulator in the wrong direction  ::) How stupid is that!!!!!
Thank you sooooo much everyone, I just made my first bead in months  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: julieHB on February 04, 2010, 07:34:18 PM
YAY - I bet that felt good!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Redhotsal on February 04, 2010, 07:36:08 PM
Your propane regulator is almost certainly the problem. You need to screw it in (down) for it to be open. So, unlike a water tap which you turn anticlockwise to open you need to turn the big black knob clockwise.

For a hothead try turning the knob on the propane bottle open about a turn (this one is anticlockwise to open), the regulator I usually have all the way open (fully screwed in) and use the knob on the hothead to adjust flow.

When you light the torch from cold it will often blow out the flame until the cowling of the torch gets warm. Cover the holes with a foil collar to stop the air blowing the flame out but remove as soon as you can - when the torch gets hotter.

When you are finished the easiest thing to burn off the gas is to turn the gas off at the bottle (leave the regulator left on - you don't need to change it once it's set) and just let the gas burn out. Takes a suprisingly long time (especially if you've forgotten to turn it off at the bottle!). Don't forget to turn the hothead off after the gas has all burned through.

Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Redhotsal on February 04, 2010, 07:36:59 PM
My advice is too late....! Have fun.  :D
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 07:38:36 PM
I can't stop grinning  ;D
Thanks all!!!!!
;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: Dragonfire Glass on February 04, 2010, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Veebee on February 04, 2010, 07:33:15 PM

Thank you sooooo much everyone, I just made my first bead in months  ;D  ;D  ;D

Woo!  ;D
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: jammie on February 04, 2010, 08:40:22 PM
whohoo!  ;D
Title: Re: HH and bulk, which knobs do I turn?!!!!
Post by: BeeBeads on February 04, 2010, 11:11:47 PM
Hope you're enjoying yourself Vicki  ;D

Don't forget to show us what you make!



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