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Title: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Yellow friend on December 07, 2008, 06:40:46 PM
Has anyone read a Kervin book - I just had a look on Amazon and his relatively thin pamphlets (32 pages) seem to cost a pretty penny - are they worth £35, seeing as a lot of info can be had on the internet for free, is the info truly worth it's weight in gold.  Books on the subject are quite costly but 32 pages  :o  I have Passing the Flame, a couple of Cindy Jenkins and Karen ?'s  book, can anyone recommend any other books worth having.

Shelia
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: ebj on December 07, 2008, 06:45:10 PM
Like a fair few on here I am a book junkie and have too many! However I hardly look at them apart from Passing the Flame and Bead of Glass - Art And Artists by Cindy J. I have just bought a copy of contemporary lampworking  - and am waiting for it to arrive.   Dont know if that helps lol x
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Yellow friend on December 07, 2008, 06:52:27 PM
Does the Contemporary Lampworking book actually show you techniques because I have looked at some books which show you history etc and samples but not actually how to do it so to speak?

Shelia
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Mary on December 07, 2008, 07:09:53 PM
His artist based books are more about the individual artist, with a few techniques special to them. And not usually £35, you'll get them for a lot less than that.
Try here, £11 each http://www.pandorasbookshop.com/acatalog/Beads___Beadwork.html

"Everything you wanted to know" is 295 pages long, and more of a reference book. Not many pictures, or a lot of decorating info, but great annealing tables, scientific stuff, fusing, furnace work, it covers a lot. Not a book you sit and read from cover to cover, but I refer to it a lot.
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: aoturoa on December 07, 2008, 07:30:07 PM
I dearly want a copy of Passing the Flame, but it's so expensive  :(

I wonder why, since it's obviously so popular, that it's not reprinted? There's clearly a market for it. Publishers are weird.
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Yellow friend on December 07, 2008, 07:31:05 PM
Thanks Mary

On Amazon the book is actually £65 +, his pamphlet on Jim Smercich is £35 :o Will take a gander at Pandoras Bookshop right now.

Shelia
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Mary on December 07, 2008, 07:35:45 PM
Helen, I think Corina self published PTF. It was recently republished, I think Frantz had it?

Sheila, £35 for the Smircich book? Ouch!
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: mariag on December 07, 2008, 07:37:20 PM
I've bought some from these people

http://www.wellheadbooks.com/acatalog/Lampwork_Beadmaking.html

Not online but from their stall at a couple of bead fairs.
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Yellow friend on December 07, 2008, 07:37:41 PM
Aoturoa (btw ru from NZ?)

I believe Corrina is working on an updated version of Passing the Flame, hence them not re-printing - not sure when it will be out but unfortunately expect it will be just as costly :(but well worth the investment when you can afford it).  Maybe if enough people put in a request for it they will do a larger print run and bring the price down.  I may just send her an email to find out if that is possible.

Shelia
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: aoturoa on December 07, 2008, 09:51:01 PM
Wow Sheila not many people ask me that. But no, I'm not from New Zealand, but I do plan on moving out there. The sooner the better.

But anyway... I was planning on getting PTF with whatever Christmas money I get from the parentals, but if Corina is going to rewrite it then I'll hang fire.

Thanks for letting me know that  :)
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Yellow friend on December 07, 2008, 10:31:17 PM
Helen
NZ is very much on my mind as both of my girls are out there at the moment, 1 based in Wellington & 1 in Wanaka.  (Aoturoa according to Google is a lovely villa near Wanaka)  ;D
NZ is a fantastic place,they both love it so I feel a long journey coming on(when I can get enough clanky bits together).

Btw I have emailed Corina about her book and will let you know her reply. Probably worth waiting for.

Shelia
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: aoturoa on December 08, 2008, 03:00:50 PM
Aaaaaaaah. That'll explain it then. Aoturoa means 'light of day' in Maori, though you may have known that.

Thansk for keeping me (and everyone else) posted.
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Yellow friend on December 08, 2008, 06:52:54 PM
Dear Helen

Got a reply from Corina - as follows-

I AM working on a sequel to Passing The Flame...but it will be at least another year. Passing the Flame costs $ 75, and has 220 high quality color pictures, in a very sturdy binding. This comes down to 35 cents per page.
The average downloadable tutorial these days costs an average of $ 1.50 PER PAGE (or more) - and you have to print it out yourself...and then the pages will fade, or get lost if not organized.....

my initial investment in creating PTF was $ 85 000 - payment for the layout designer and printing, my own labor not include. it took me 2 years to recover the investment....

The now so popular downloadable tutorial doesn't cost the creator a dime to make......


So, they think PTF is EXPENSIVE???????????????   If people keep thinking that way, printed books will go out of business - which is sad..... I think.

Hope that this didn't come across as snotty or anything,

She has a certain style. 


When you get to NZ there is a glass place near Nelson called Hoglund worth visiting- that's where I first saw a copy of Passing the Flame. What can I say - it changed my life  ;D

Shelia


Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: aoturoa on December 08, 2008, 09:01:21 PM
Oh. Well I might get PTF in the new year then.

Or should I make the most of my eBay vouchure - a whole £2.50  ::)

When I get.. I like that  :D
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Yellow friend on December 08, 2008, 11:52:08 PM
Hmmm - I don't think I could wait a year either - maybe Santa might be generous this year ;D

Don't suppose your local library could get it for you?

Shelia
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: silverlemon on December 09, 2008, 12:36:16 AM
Go on get PTF, I know it's pricey compared to other books but it's worth every penny.
It's also cheaper than going on a course and can be used more than one day (a course?).

I think it's a fab book, you know you want to!  ;D
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: aoturoa on December 09, 2008, 09:37:49 AM
Quote from: silverlemon on December 09, 2008, 12:36:16 AMIt's also cheaper than going on a course and can be used more than one day (a course?).

I'd not thought of it that way...
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Redhotsal on December 09, 2008, 09:40:26 AM
I'm writing a book on beadmaking. I'm aiming it at the UK market. It's taking a long time though as I'm busy doing bead stuff. But I've made a resolution to have a month off beadmaking so I can get it finished. I'm looking for a publisher and picture contributers, but I haven't really made it public yet so you'll to watch this space.  :D
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: julieHB on December 09, 2008, 09:50:49 AM
Wow, Sal, didn't know that! Make sure you shout loud and clear when it's ready!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Trudi on December 09, 2008, 02:26:41 PM
I bought my copy of Passing the Flame from:

theresa bingham terribooks@anet.net

It cost me $73 - but that was Sept 2007! She may or may not be able to help you with a copy!

Trudi
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: *rowanberry* on December 09, 2008, 04:17:39 PM
From experience, that reply is very typical Corina :D
But it is a good book though though my fave book is the Kimberley Adams one actually. Does Pandora's bookshop not stock PTF? (editted: ah they have sold out).

Sal, if you ever want image contributors, just nudge me if you want one of mine. As for publishing etc, I *think* theres some funding floating around somewhere for people wanting to publish books, my friend just had one published. I'll see what I can find out.
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Trudi on December 09, 2008, 10:29:27 PM
Quote from: Redhotsal on December 09, 2008, 09:40:26 AM
I'm writing a book on beadmaking. I'm aiming it at the UK market. It's taking a long time though as I'm busy doing bead stuff. But I've made a resolution to have a month off beadmaking so I can get it finished. I'm looking for a publisher and picture contributers, but I haven't really made it public yet so you'll to watch this space.  :D

Wow - I missed this post earlier!! Way to go Sal!! You're determined to be a media star!
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Les on December 09, 2008, 10:40:18 PM
If you want any images contributing to a 'How Not to Do It' section.... feel free to PM me :P

:D
Title: Re: More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Glass Beadmaking
Post by: Yellow friend on December 09, 2008, 11:45:20 PM
I've got a few fuglies too - but as Spike Millagan said 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder - get it out with Optrex'  ;D
Shelia