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Lampwork => COE 104 => Topic started by: Pandanimal on March 11, 2008, 05:01:43 PM

Title: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: Pandanimal on March 11, 2008, 05:01:43 PM
I used my one rod of cim clockwork today and made several small beads and one large one with pumpkin dots. the big one is a lovely colour but the small ones have gone almost clear transparent, with only a very slight trace of orange in them.
What have I done wrong? To much heat? To low in the flame? If any one out there could explain I would be gratefull.
Panda
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: glassworks on March 11, 2008, 05:14:19 PM
i'll ask CiM for you... i know they check this forum out if i send them any technical queries... kathy is normally really REALLY quick to answer anything like this..

;)
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: Vicki on March 11, 2008, 07:46:09 PM
I used the red one, is it bordello? I made a set & wanted spacers, I got a few red ones, but they varied from yellow-orange mostly, I thought maybe the longer i worked it the darker they got, but I don't know, there didn't seem to be a pattern to it...they looked lovely together though, all the different colours :D
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: glassworks on March 11, 2008, 08:11:18 PM
suddenly had a DOH moment - kathy is having a baby, literally - so it may be a while before she responds to this......

;D ;D
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: Pandanimal on March 11, 2008, 08:14:12 PM
Thanks Q.
Ill look forward to what they have to say. Just so I can not do it again. If I want clear spacers Ill make them with clear glass.
Panda

They are in the kiln right now. would having a photo help?
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: GlassOcean on March 11, 2008, 08:18:11 PM
Hi Panda and Q,

I had exactly the same result from my Clockwork orange, and it looked so lovely too!  Mine ranged from dark orange nearly red to virtually clear!  I blamed my inexperience and my hothead, then my cats and anyone else who came near me that day!!!

KJ
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: Pandanimal on March 11, 2008, 08:33:11 PM
Nice to know its not just me then.
Was it anything to do with size?
My big one is the same colour as the rod, but the little ones are clear.
I also added some as dots over the pumpkin and again it looks clear. I liked the look but not what I was expecting.
It is a gorgeous colour in the rod.
And the bordello is too Vicky. I used bordello with Gellys sty and Blush. I liked it lots.
Panda
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: saffie on March 11, 2008, 08:33:40 PM
i have had similar with Sangrie (the red one!!!) the more glass you use the less transparent it is. I also use a little white as a core to put the red over!!!
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on March 12, 2008, 01:36:34 PM
Are they striking colours a lot of the oranges seem to be, it can be a lovely effect, try making a bead, letting it cool a bit and then flashing it back in the flame, if it is striking you will see the colour come into it, otherwise it could be that the anneal temp is too high, I think Corina published an annealing chart on her site
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: Josephine on March 12, 2008, 01:44:32 PM
I wondered the same Tan. I'll have a go later if I get a chance, see what happens for me. I'm pretty hopeless at striking.
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: flowerjasper on March 12, 2008, 01:45:52 PM
when i went to see dizzy di at the weekend she showed me clockwork orange spacers that she had done,
some of those were clear!
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: dinah46 on March 12, 2008, 01:49:54 PM
Quote from: tanok on March 12, 2008, 01:36:34 PM
Are they striking colours a lot of the oranges seem to be, it can be a lovely effect, try making a bead, letting it cool a bit and then flashing it back in the flame, if it is striking you will see the colour come into it, otherwise it could be that the anneal temp is too high, I think Corina published an annealing chart on her site

I think Corina sent out the chart in her email when she was complaining about the pink beads she had made which had cracked. It seems that CIM colours have different annealing temps
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on March 12, 2008, 02:10:52 PM
They do which is a bit of a major problem if your combining colours :(
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: SueP on March 12, 2008, 05:12:09 PM
http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44022 (http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44022)

Not sure how to insert a link but found this by googling cim annealing temps so if it doesn't work you can always cut and paste in your browser - the thread also mentions that some colours need striking ( don't think clock work was around) not sure what to do now as I like cim and I like to mix colours ???
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: June on March 12, 2008, 05:19:47 PM
I've had the same problem, mine went clear, too !
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: Debs on March 13, 2008, 06:10:26 PM
I've used the clockwork orange on hollow focals and small spacers.  I had exactly the same thing, the first lot of spacers I made were almost clear.  I tried again and this time, I let the beads cool right down before putting the back in the flame and the colour changed back to orange.  To get the colour darker I went through this several times, cooling then back in the flame, it seems to have done the job :)
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: Lush! on March 13, 2008, 06:43:50 PM
I love this colour but I think I remember ending up with very disappointing spacers. 

However, I didn't do anything special to these lentils but the colour came out so intense I called them "Cherry Tomatoes"!

Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: Kaz on March 13, 2008, 09:41:37 PM
Yummy!
Kaz
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: Pandanimal on March 14, 2008, 10:29:17 AM
Yes, Yes,Yes!
You are right about the striking thing. I got some lamptime this morning and had to try the clockwork straight away. I have some beautiful orange spacers now. but i did crack one, must of let it cool too much.
but I can now get colours of orange ranging from almost clear, to deep reddish orange.
I am definitely getting some more of this one. Yippee.
Thanks everybody. One happy beader here.
Back to the flame now.
Ta again,
Panda
Fab lentils by the way Lush.
I need to get myself a lentil mold.
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on March 14, 2008, 01:45:36 PM
It should be ok if it cracks, just take it back to the top of the flame and introduce it slowly, working your way further down towards your hot bit of flame, I have had quite a few crack because I got careless and this always works, the cracks will mend

BUt.......I WARN YOU...if its split apart or the bead release has cracked, just dump it, and make sure you go back into the flame very slowly ;)
Title: Re: My cim clockwork orange went clear
Post by: Pandanimal on March 14, 2008, 08:48:40 PM
When I say cracked I mean half of it ending up onthe work surface the other half on the floor somewhere.
(still havnt found it) but i didnt know u could fix small cracks by re working in the flame. I will bear that in mind thanks.
Title: Messy Clockwork
Post by: Kathy Seamands on July 28, 2008, 11:54:27 PM
Q. is correct, I was away having a baby.  Back to work now and just updated the Clockwork page with our Messy testers' feedback. Hope you find it helpful despite being so late:

http://www.creationismessy.com/Product/Color/Clockwork.aspx