Frit-Happens !

Lampwork => COE 104 => Topic started by: garishglobes on March 08, 2008, 08:18:03 PM

Title: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: garishglobes on March 08, 2008, 08:18:03 PM
I get out a new rod of Vetro odd glass. I waft it gently in the vicinity of the flame. Ping! An inch flies off. I try warming it. Ping! I try holding as far out from the top of the flame as my arm will reach. Ping! I get fed up and stick it in the hot part. Ping, ping, ping! Eventually, I manage to find a bit of rod which melts and start winding it round the mandrel. Ping!!!!!! Now I have half a bead and 2 inches of rod on the mandrel! If I'm very, very lucky I can get this wound round without more pinging off.
I know Vetro odds are a bit shocky, but even with warm rods the amount of rather large frit I have is getting silly! What do you do to avoid this?!
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Kay on March 08, 2008, 08:36:15 PM
I got a great tip from beverley Hicklin after half a rod of odd pinged everywhere. She pops it in the kiln at annealing temp for 10 mins, with lots hanging out so you can hold it after you have taken it out, worked without shocking
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Vicki on March 08, 2008, 08:37:25 PM
I had that with pale advocado, I never got to use any of it :(  I do keep the odd rod on top of my kiln if i think i might use it, it helps a little :)
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Amber on March 08, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
I know that some are worse than others - had to stop using Orange Dreamsicle before it took my eye out! As I don't have a kiln, I resort to warming rods between my thighs (!), so any more practical tips would be welcome!  ;D
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Donna@Rockin' Beads on March 08, 2008, 09:29:33 PM
I keep mine upright in a jar on my workbench right under my spotlights and that seems to help quite a bit. It seems to be the only warm bit in a very cold garage/studio.   ;D
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Shirley on March 08, 2008, 09:37:48 PM
Orange dreamsicle - orange nightmaresickle!
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Amber on March 08, 2008, 09:40:05 PM
QuoteOrange dreamsicle - orange nightmaresickle!

:D :D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Kaz on March 08, 2008, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: Spookyjewel on March 08, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
I know that some are worse than others - had to stop using Orange Dreamsicle before it took my eye out! As I don't have a kiln, I resort to warming rods between my thighs (!), so any more practical tips would be welcome!  ;D
Like dusky maidens with cigars???
Kaz
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: SueP on March 08, 2008, 09:58:22 PM
I lie mine on the work bench under the torch which warms it up but a still get a surprise usually when getting complacent on say the third or fourth bead into a rod - a gentle crack and there's a partially wound bead with an inch of rod on the mandrel :)
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: beads-on-toast on March 08, 2008, 10:35:23 PM
yes i have this too and it SUCKS!!!

Rhubarb?? pudding only, rod form is hopeless, sanme for a rod of terra i had, the others have been ok...

it has put me off using them
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Redhotsal on March 08, 2008, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: Spookyjewel on March 08, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
I resort to warming rods between my thighs (!), so any more practical tips would be welcome!  ;D
Good heavens - just how hot are your thighs??  :o
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Sarah on March 08, 2008, 11:38:41 PM
Quote from: beads-on-toast on March 08, 2008, 10:35:23 PM
yes i have this too and it SUCKS!!!

Rhubarb?? pudding only, rod form is hopeless, sanme for a rod of terra i had, the others have been ok...

it has put me off using them

LOL Anna - I had the same with the rod of rhubarb in my mixed pack - there was rhubarb frit all over the floor. But I tried a rod from Hazel & it was fine. The odds vary so much from rod to rod. I think that's part of the reason I like then 'though I have picked up a few scars in interesting places.

As for rods between your thighs - I think we might be in the wrong section  ;)
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: dinah46 on March 09, 2008, 09:01:15 AM
I have a rod of silver plum which explodes every half inch or so, am trying to turn it into stringers bit by bit but I have to build up courage first :(

Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Les on March 09, 2008, 12:01:29 PM
My marbled avocado has made me very nervous this morning, I can tell you !!!! It is soooo temperamental :(
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Vicki on March 09, 2008, 01:54:36 PM
OoooOOOooooh Les has been torching....hooray ;D
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Diane on March 09, 2008, 02:43:33 PM
Hi - this doesn't answer the problem of shocky glass but when warming your glass in the flame don't waft it in and out just hold the rod horizontally to the bench and introduce into the side of the flame gently. The was a tip given to us by Dora Schubert at a glass course last year and I find it works for me. You still have to be careful with the extra shockies ((EDP etc) but hope it helps.

Diane
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Kaz on March 09, 2008, 02:44:08 PM
Oooooh candy corn - ouch popping candy corn!!!!
Kaz
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: glassworks on March 09, 2008, 03:39:33 PM
we have been speaking to mr moretti about seeing if there is a way to introduce the second and third colours into the rods in far finer strips - which should help tremendously with the "shockiness" of the new odd lots.. the latest batch of odd lemongrass actually looks like green bamboo - the second and third colours are really fine almost like really tiny murrini.. the trick for us is to get the cool effects without the shocks!.. there was one batch of odd pale avaocado that i literally have 120kilos of lying here because when tested we could not get ANYTHING to stay on the rods.. i turned about 20 rods into frit before giving it up and chucking it on the racks..

anyone think of a good use for too shocky glass - we think maybe we should try a pot melt of make a mix to pull our own canes?..  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: garishglobes on March 09, 2008, 05:50:37 PM
Add a few extras and make a new glass!!
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on March 09, 2008, 06:12:01 PM
These colours get right on my tits, sometimes literally, I had some a while ago that no matter what I did, and Idid all of the above, I managed about one spacer bead from a rod, a right pain,,,,is life too short I wonder
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Vicki on March 09, 2008, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: glassworks on March 09, 2008, 03:39:33 PM
there was one batch of odd pale avaocado that i literally have 120kilos of lying here because when tested we could not get ANYTHING to stay on the rods.. i turned about 20 rods into frit before giving it up and chucking it on the racks..


That must have been the same batch that I got, I managed to make 3 spacers out of 2 rods...I wasn't planning on making spacers, I was just trying to make it work  ::)
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Shirley on March 09, 2008, 07:35:51 PM
You have to wonder if it's actually fit to sell if it can't be worked properly
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Vicki on March 09, 2008, 07:41:17 PM
I did say some words to that effect whilst i was using it shirley  ;)
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Shirley on March 09, 2008, 07:43:26 PM
Bet they weren't quite that polite ;)
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: garishglobes on March 09, 2008, 07:55:02 PM
But I'd love to know how to get round it because I adore the colours! What causes this? Is it tiny, tiny bubbles in the glass because there are several colours in one cane? Sometimes, I end up "mopping up" all the pinged bits with my melted glass bobble, just so I don't waste too much...
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Amber on March 09, 2008, 08:00:09 PM
Loads and loads of frit...I make sure I pick up every bit that pings off!

And Sal, compared to a cold garage, my thighs ARE pretty hot - it's either that or my armpits, which would be neither pleasant nor practical!  ;D I do have to be careful of the pointed end when I pull the rod out to use, though - ouch!  : :-[
Title: Re: Pinging vetrofond!
Post by: Vicki on March 09, 2008, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: Shirley on March 09, 2008, 07:43:26 PM
Bet they weren't quite that polite ;)

;D