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Title: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on January 21, 2008, 06:22:36 PM
How does that work? How do the ends come up? Why doesn't it just gloop into the hole? Or do you make it upside down, over a cylinder or bowl or something? Just wondered  :)
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on January 21, 2008, 06:24:57 PM
I'm sure its a solid piece thats allowed to drape over an object, kind of imagine a sheet of glass being allowed to fold over an upturned vase.

Fancy having a go then ;)
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on January 21, 2008, 06:34:07 PM
Errr....wellll......yesssss......kind of signed up to an 8-week evening course....first session was last Thursday, so somewhere in Sheffield, some unassuming coasters are baking  :D But I'll be making clever use of frits and so on, and use window glass......I can't *afford* another hobby!!! (strictly speaking, is it another hobby....or just an extension....hmmmmmm......)  ;D
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on January 21, 2008, 07:16:48 PM
ooo pics of the coasters when they have finished cooking, so how did you find it, did you enjoy it?

here to fight the force of eveeeilll
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Stacy on January 21, 2008, 07:36:14 PM
Quote from: sparrow on January 21, 2008, 06:34:07 PM
(strictly speaking, is it another hobby....or just an extension....hmmmmmm......)  ;D

Well I do a bit of stained, fused and lampwork glass, trust me they are all under one umbrella and just an extention of each other!!! (Thats what I tell Pter anyway!)  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Sal on January 21, 2008, 07:38:17 PM
Oh don't tempt me-I don't think there is anywhere around here that does courses in any of them luckily!
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Zeldazog on January 21, 2008, 07:43:53 PM
I'm sure there's one of Brad Walker's Warm Tips on this on the Warm Glass forum (he uses a tin can for the slump mould) - hang on, there might be something in his book which Santa bought me at Xmas and I have been too darned busy to even remember I got!

If I find owt, I will tell you.

And I sincerely hope that fusing is not a *different* hobby to lampworking - I can't manage any new ones!

Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on January 21, 2008, 07:46:26 PM
Quote from: tanok on January 21, 2008, 07:16:48 PM
ooo pics of the coasters when they have finished cooking, so how did you find it, did you enjoy it?

here to fight the force of eveeeilll

Oh Tan, you make me laugh  :) :) :) And much needed - just got a huge scare when I was feeding Toby upstairs and was convinced somebody was in the house.....oooh, I was like Mama Bear....indeed ready to fight the force of eveeeiiiillll............but so scared!!!!!  :-\

Not sure I'll share the coasters, they were literally just cutting exercises, but yes, it's fun! I figured I might as well get the best use out of my kiln, but of course now I want to do big and shiny things while I've got access to the big kiln in the class  ;D

Edited to say - oh, thanks Dawn, that would be fab - a tin can, eh? I'm sure I can rustle up one of them!
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Soozintheshed on January 21, 2008, 07:55:57 PM
I made one, first I fused the glass into a sheet otherwise the edges are still sharp if you go straight for a slump.

then you slump over something, now don't make the mistake I did. I balanced a metal pickle dish on top of my ceramic stilts, then the glass fused and wrapped under the dish, so I had to smash it to get the dish out !!

Still, looked nice when I glued it back together.
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on January 21, 2008, 08:01:43 PM
you crack me up with your mad fusing, remember the lattice bowl ;D
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Soozintheshed on January 21, 2008, 08:04:39 PM
It experimentation, thats all  ::)
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on January 21, 2008, 08:08:31 PM
Err...will bear that in mind - although I could just call it art?
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Zeldazog on January 21, 2008, 08:25:01 PM
Think this is it.... (sorry,  not had time to read through it properly!)

http://www.warmtips.com/20050812.htm - the link at the bottom of the page will take you through to next stage of tutorial

Dawn
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on January 21, 2008, 08:36:33 PM
Oooh, thanks Dawn, that's brilliant!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on January 21, 2008, 08:37:47 PM
those warm tips are darn fine things aint they
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: dinah46 on January 21, 2008, 08:39:57 PM
Here's one I did with float glass

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/dinah46/IMG_0746.jpg)

This was done over ceramic mould but I have also used cheap stainless steel bowls from kitchen stores
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on January 21, 2008, 09:00:27 PM
Yes, yes, yes, that's *exactly* what I want to do!!!! Do you mind me asking how you did that? Was it a bowl-shaped mould and simply more glass than needed? Oooh, excited now, it looks soooo pretty!
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: dinah46 on January 21, 2008, 09:09:09 PM
That one was a circle of 3mm float over a ceramic form but I have done others that I think were better with squares of glass over bowl shapes.

Just looked but can't find a photo of it at the minute but I'll upload a picture of the bowls I used and I cam pm the program if you like. It'll need tweaking for your kiln but it'll give you an idea.
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on January 21, 2008, 09:24:23 PM
Thank you so much, that's brilliant! *sigh* I *love* this forum!!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Mary on January 21, 2008, 10:10:29 PM
Jim Bluemoon showed some a while ago. Let me see if I can find the thread.

Here it is! http://www.frit-happens.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1742.0
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: catriona on January 21, 2008, 10:19:10 PM
Wow there great thanks for the link mary xxcatxx
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on January 22, 2008, 06:36:05 AM
Thanks for that Mary, they're stunning! That's definitely going to keep me going!  ;D
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on January 22, 2008, 07:14:25 AM
Creative+Juices=Flowing ;D
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: BlueMoon on January 26, 2008, 01:21:19 PM
Quote from: Mary on January 21, 2008, 10:10:29 PM
Jim Bluemoon showed some a while ago. Let me see if I can find the thread.

Here it is! http://www.frit-happens.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1742.0

I buy stainless steel whiskey shakers at the restaraunt supply store here for my floral form molds. You have to apply kiln wash or boron nitride spray to them to keep the glass from sticking. I also cut out a circle of thin fire paper to put between the glass and the mold. That way I get a real nice finish in the bottom of the piece. Its fun to play with different shapes and sizes of glass.  Circles, trianges, squares...all give a different effect to the drape. Good luck...have fun! Show Pictures.
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on January 26, 2008, 01:56:21 PM
Thanks Jim, your pictures really inspired me. I'm trying to talk my tutor into doing a draping cycle just for me - at the moment, everything gopes in together, all students' fusing work as well as my attempt at draping. I put my first attempt with the thickest float glass I could find in the bottom of the kiln last Thursday - next Thursday I'll get to see what came of it - fingers crossed! :) :) If it doesn't work, I'll be reduced to doing titchy bowls in my caldera  ;D
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: julieHB on January 26, 2008, 03:50:13 PM
Good luck with your fusing course, Sabine!!  Looks like you are going to have a lot of fun!!.....and please show us some pics, will you??  :)

Julie
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Zeldazog on January 26, 2008, 05:25:00 PM
Hi Sabine

What course are you doing?  PLease tell me more about what sort of things you are doing - I like to look at different things that we could offer on the NOCN course I have been delivering, different things to add to/change the course?

And photos are a must!
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Jolene on January 26, 2008, 05:28:41 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Pics asap please  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on January 26, 2008, 09:23:21 PM
Pics, huh? Erm, I guess I can be bribed  ;)

Dawn, it's a non-qualifying course, run by the Workers Educational Association - it runs every term (apparently), so you enrol for a term at a time, at £50 for eight weeks, once a week for 2.5 hours. As far as I can tell, you do what you want - in the first session, we were tught how to cut glass, in the second how to cut circles. Float glass is provided, everything else you have to buy yourself. There's a big kiln, loads of molds and a tutor to answer questions, so it's kind of up to you how much you learn. There are several people there who just seem to come to use the equipment, they don't ask for advice or anything, and of course there's no assessment, so I'm not sure how helpful this is???
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on February 01, 2008, 10:47:46 AM
Hi all, well, I promised I'd [ost my efforts - not too pleased with the handkerchief (I think I created a fugly vessel for my fugly beads  ;)), but I quite like the plate :)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2062/2233858965_767e40f9f5.jpg)
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Sal on February 01, 2008, 10:52:53 AM
Oooh-I like  ;D
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Fired Silver on February 01, 2008, 11:19:43 AM
Sabine, they're great!!  I've only got a little kiln so I've been trying to work out whether I can get any slumping moulds to fit inside and I think I can make a soap dish!!  Might still give it a go though.

Rebecca
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: Zeldazog on February 01, 2008, 11:48:37 AM
Oh, Sabine that plate is lurvely - what have you done it in?  The hankerchief looks like float to me but the plate doesn't have the same green tint, so is that float or Bullsye, or something else?

Well done you!
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: glassworks on February 01, 2008, 11:51:07 AM
oh man, an EXCELLENT idea for playing this weekend with our pearl18!!!!

;D
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on February 01, 2008, 01:29:48 PM
Oooh, thanks everybody. Dawn, they're both float, as far as I know pinched by our tutor from the same greenhouse demolition, they were both 4mm. The mould for the plate was......a plate  ;D a random glazed ceramic one that I found oin the mould stash - there are few 'proper' moulds at this course, mainly household items covered in mould wash or whatever it's called. The tutor says I coud get the plate all shiny if I put devitrifying fluid on it and shoved it back in the kiln, but I might quit while I'm ahead  ;)
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: julieHB on February 01, 2008, 02:12:03 PM
Sabine, they are brilliant!!  How exciting to be allowed to do BIG stuff  ;D

Julie
Title: Re: Slumped handkerchief vessel/vase?
Post by: sparrow on February 01, 2008, 02:52:12 PM
I know, although inspiration left me a bit this week (there was only 2mm glass to be had, and only small pieces), so I created a random pile of shards for fusing...I'll see how they turn week after next and might be brave enough to drop them through a hole. I also put some rod ends next to each other (cut to same length), and some pieces of my impossibly thick clear rods on end - they fused into (near enough) perfect round cabs  ;D I'll now hunt for a fusing schedule on here and see whether I can make some more - in my own kiln  ;D ;D ;D