Hi all,
Looking at getting a kiln in the new year,
I was 99% sure I was going to get the Paragon SC2 kiln, however in the latest Bead and Beyond p67 is the Evenheat E360 kiln. It is available with window and bead door for £650. Just to confuse me more!
http://www.pmc.vpam.co.uk/products.asp?productrangeid=6# (http://www.pmc.vpam.co.uk/products.asp?productrangeid=6#)
I was looking at the Bluebird for size and width of fitting in mandrels but you guys have kindly posted photos on this site of your SC2's using the kebab method, so I see you can get loads in an SC2.
The outside and inside dimensions of the SC2 and E360 are almost identical so no benefit either way there.
Price wise the E360 with window and bead door is £650 (annoyingly the same amount in dollars from US sites!!) and the SC2 with bead door is about £549. So about £100 cheaper.
I am thinking if I get the SC2 more people have these and I can shout for help!
Not sure of any other differences between them? pros and cons?
Also has anyone ordered from the states? I know I would have to factor in shipping, duty and VAT.
I am in no hurry, but I hate it when your mind is made up and something new comes along!
I'm no expert, but isn't there something about making sure that the electrical specs are up to the standards required for the UK market? I don't know exactly what the regs are, but it would be something to check out. :)
reading the specs i think the evenheat IS converted to uk specs which is why it is "special order from the states".. seems a really good kiln, and i would love to hear from someone who has one too?..
8)
I have an Even Heat from before they were taken over from Brenofen. Diana East also has one already. Nice kilns that dont go wrong.
I also have the Paragon F240 for big jobs and already on way from Wale Apparatus is the F130 on this page. Service is great from Wale. Maybe because I'm Welsh ha ha ha .. ::)
http://www.waleapparatus.com/walestore/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=7
Personally I do not like bead doors and for these reasons..... Firstly if the mandrel sticks out this means air must be convecting into the kiln and the door is never really closed. This small convection draft can cause uneven annealing from one side of the kiln or item to the other..bad news if the glass is stressed. Also this means the kiln will cycle on and off more to maintain the temperature... as I said there's a draft getting in.
A kiln that you can place the entire mandrel in is far and away better. I pop a thermal glove on and open the door for 2 to 3 seconds to place it carefully and with no fear of it touching another bead through a bead door letter box like thingy doo dar. Aaaaargggghhhhh I hate those things....
This is just my opinion and thats all.... Roger Wilco over and out... :-X
excellent!!!.. that's why we make short mandrels too - so they fit all the way inside!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
how about some pics of your new space!
Fired up yesterday for the first time on all five torches. Been playing it down a bit as there's some one else just launching a new studio.
Will have a launch myself in February, as it suits the Model House event series for members to be there etc. But yes some pictures will follow now you mention it.
sorry for the mini hijack carrie - but it seems that the two kilns are both highly recommended regardless!!!.. 8) ;D
Ray - I understand what you are saying about the bead door.
dying to see photos of your new space when your ready, especially your fabulous glass rod warmer! My family own an engineering company and I keep meaning get the chaps to make me something up.
Q- I had my eye on your Bluebird XL but so many people have the SC2 I was put off a bit.?
I have found out with much surfing that the E360 is known as the "Sierra" and goes up to 2000F same as the SC2.
http://www.delphiglass.com/index.cfm?page=itemView&itemSYSid=194244 (http://www.delphiglass.com/index.cfm?page=itemView&itemSYSid=194244)
The bead door looks a bit wider to me.
Not in any hurry to get a kiln, so will see what info appears about the Evenheat one in the next few weeks.
Just in case anyones interested, kiln comparison charts:
http://www.wholelottawhimsy.com/wo/p/context/tutorials/KilnComparison (http://www.wholelottawhimsy.com/wo/p/context/tutorials/KilnComparison)
http://www.medacreations.com/ComparingParagon-Sierra.aspx (http://www.medacreations.com/ComparingParagon-Sierra.aspx)
http://www.wholelottawhimsy.com/wo/p/context/shopping/Catalog?c=4429912 (http://www.wholelottawhimsy.com/wo/p/context/shopping/Catalog?c=4429912)
P.S.
Thanks Q!
This is my Brenofen Sierra...now known as the Even heat kiln.
Inside dim are 12 inches wide 12 inches deep and 8 inches tall in the fire chamber. This one does 1300c at a push.
But you only need 900c tops unless your using Pyrex to slump or fuse at 1000 +
This is a fab kiln as it is so versatile. I've done 1000's of annealing jobs. Many many fusing jobs with just fibre paper on the floor.
small castings also using ceramic moulds.
The floor has a removeable grid with 1000's of holes for your mandrels to stand in but leaning over slightly. I would say its possible to get 150 beaded mandrels in at a session.
Thanks for the photo Ray.
I see you have the burneze next to it just in case.!
Quote from: Carrie-Jane on December 16, 2007, 09:27:38 PM
Thanks for the photo Ray.
I see you have the burneze next to it just in case.!
I graduated with some hideous burns 6 years ago and thought that pressing a burn on the cold steel of the oxy bottle would be enough to cool it "NOT"
Now I have to keep it handy for students who like to play with fire... and for me because I usually have small mishaps during teaching as I get over zealous with my demo antics....
QuoteI graduated with some hideous burns 6 years ago and thought that pressing a burn on the cold steel of the oxy bottle would be enough to cool it "NOT
Ouch!!
I have little bottles of lavender essential oil around the place, great for burns and any other ailment too.
:)
I've just got the E360 - haven't had time to fire it up yet (sob), but will definately be doing so this week! Nothing to compare it with, but where it was bought from (PMC Studio), had them set up in their workshop to play with, and I had a quick fiddle with one there... All seemed nice!! ;)
oooh brilliant,
would love to hear how you get on setting it all up and programming it etc..
Good luck!
;D
Quote from: Carrie-Jane on December 16, 2007, 10:09:08 PM
oooh brilliant,
would love to hear how you get on setting it all up and programming it etc..
Good luck!
;D
Programing the Orton built in controller is the easiest of any kiln I've used. Very friendly indeed ;D
Quote from: glassworks on December 16, 2007, 06:32:23 PM
excellent!!!.. that's why we make short mandrels too - so they fit all the way inside!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
how about some pics of your new space!
Well better late than never... 4 Bobcats and my Delta Elite at the other end of the workshop... Getting the system commissioned and approved by the local fire Officer was a "BLAST" Well hopefully that will never happen PUN.
The other end of my studio.... getting gas and fire approved in a listed buildings good fun if ever you want advice.
Wow Ray
Your studio is looking great!
Merry Christmas.
Sandra
Ran the kiln for the first time tonight! Christmas got in the way of doing it sooner... lol.
Was only firing PMC tonight, seems pretty idiot proof tho... Will be doing some annealing tomorrow morning, got a stack of beads ready and waiting... I'll let you know how programming it and running it goes!
Quote from: misspixie on December 27, 2007, 12:06:16 AM
Ran the kiln for the first time tonight! Christmas got in the way of doing it sooner... lol.
I like this...got priorities right... firing kilns is better fun than Christmas. Progamming a kiln is not so daunting either.
Playing with my torch and the kiln is *much* more fun that avoiding ageing aunties and embarrassing uncles! ;)
And yep, the programming was fine... Just being very, very impatient and waiting for it to finish now...
Ray - your studio is great, what a fab setup!
QuotePlaying with my torch and the kiln is *much* more fun that avoiding ageing aunties and embarrassing uncles!
Well Christmas Day was an almost complete nightmare. Went to visit the inlaws and they were arguing, DH is about ready to divorce himself from his family! and we almost left before Christmas Dinner as they were arguing in front of our 2 year old daughter. We were not allowed Turkey and had to have roast beef. Not good!
QuoteAnd yep, the programming was fine... Just being very, very impatient and waiting for it to finish now...
Well done on getting the kiln up and running!
Studio's looking great Ray!
I nearly sh*t myself while I was looking however, when you blinked at me on your banner!!! :o :o :o ;D
So how does one get to come and play at the studio then?
Carrie-Jane, I have an SC2 with bead door, it is fab for annealing beads, but I'm getting more and more frustrated with its uneven fusing capability >:(
Quote from: Funky Cow on December 27, 2007, 11:23:01 PM
Carrie-Jane, I have an SC2 with bead door, it is fab for annealing beads, but I'm getting more and more frustrated with its uneven fusing capability >:(
I have the same problem - its a bit of a compromise - would be best to have 2 kilns really