I know some people have had compatibility issues, and against my better judgement used CIM cranberry to make a bead yesterday. Only 4 small dots on each end, over a base of Kugler pink and with two orange trans dots and then swirled.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7033/6641081039_2c98d531a9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/54880518@N08/6641081039/)
SDC11312 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/54880518@N08/6641081039/) by awrylemming (http://www.flickr.com/people/54880518@N08/), on Flickr
Just after I took this photo, compitability cracks began to appear, crazing across the top of the glass. I'm pretty peeved as I was halfway through listing it!
So, those who have had problems before, did you contact CIM, and if so, what was the answer. Since if it can't even be used in less than frit amounts, there doesn't seem much point in buying it. I wasted a hell of a lot of dichro on this bead :(
What a shame Sue, beautiful bead. I do hope you find out about this, what a terrible waste. :( xx
Acht, really pretty too!
Helen G has spent hours working out the do's and don'ts of cranberry. She might be able to help...shame as it was a rather lovely bead
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It could be the Kugler that is causing the problems. This has compatibility issues when used with other makes of glass. :( You are best just to use it with other Kugler glass. :( :(
Sorry to hear that Sue, it's such a lovely bead too.
Could be - I'll give it a go with desert pink instead. Shame, I particularly like this shade ... I still think I'll go with rubino though!
Sue, I feel your pain too! Same happened to me recently. I put rod width ribbons of CIM Cranberry on top of beads I'd made using Eff. transparents, thinking as it is sitting on the top of the glass, there would be no problems. Well, they ended up a complete mess, cracking wise. I think I'll take some photos to show here too. I am pretty peeved as they were 3 big focal beads. I can't honestly agree that CIM cranberry can be described as 'Compatible' with coe 104 glass if this happens. I too was thinking of contacting CIM. I think maybe we should do so as a collective, maybe we'll get some answers.
I think that's a good idea Bev - if we can produce a kind of 'gallery of doom' involving CIM cranberry beads, I'm pretty sure Kathy Seamans will do something about it, she's really good about getting back to us customers anyway, and the more information she has to work on the better. I think I will remake this bead identically just changing the pink, to see if it definitely is the cranberry, but I'm pretty sure it is.
Sue is ther Dichroic Glass in that lovely bead you made? It looks like there is on my screen. If so do you think it's that, that's caused the cracking? :)
Ouch, such a pretty bead too x I only ever bought one rod of cranberry and while it was fine I just couldn't justify the cost over rubino!
I'm sure if you contact Kathy she'll be able to help!
Quote from: sea-thistle on January 05, 2012, 07:23:19 PM
Sue is ther Dichroic Glass in that lovely bead you made? It looks like there is on my screen. If so do you think it's that, that's caused the cracking? :)
No the cracking isn't over the dichro, only on the ends where the cranberry is, and it's crazing on the surface - the body of the bead doesn't contain any cranberry and it's fine.
I'll definitely contact Kathy tomorrow, if anybody else wants me to include their photos in the email, and their bead recipes, I'll pass them on.
I think I have chucked all the ones that crazed on me (though unfortunately there may be some beads that went out to customers). I used it a lot for encased stringer roses and discovered a few where just the rose had crazed. I stopped using it completely about a year ago and changed back to rubino. I decided that even though it is better behaved in terms of retaining its colour, the risk of crazing was too great. It's really annoying as I have even mixed 96COE transparents are encased stringer and not had problems with those. I did take it up with Sean about 18 months ago, but at that time he said he hadn't had any other complaints.
Kazx
I have a fair bit of the cranberry, so if there is a way of preventing the problem, I'd love to know, it's too flipping expensive to chuck! Good to know it's not an isolated thing though ...
Off down the soggy garden now to photo my cranberry explosions....! Will post pics when I get back (about 3am)...!!
You're all scaring me... I made a big set of beads using Cranberry the other day (last one I showed in the gallery I think). None of the beads are broken yet but I might wait a little before I put them up for sale.
It could well be a batch issue.
As you know Sue, I had big problems with cranberry and cracking, it turned out to be my particular batch and although my latest batch is fine, I'm very nervous about selling beads I've made using it :-\
If you need pictures of cracked beads from me then let me know, it'll be interesting to see what they say.
When did you get your batch Helen? I bought mine around a year ago, one lot from Frantz and the other from Tuffnells a couple of months before. Would they be the same batch do you think? :-\ I think it's probably best to send as many photos from different people as possible. If you send them to my email I can forward them from there, or shall I just direct her to the thread?
Quote from: MyPrecious on January 05, 2012, 10:22:02 PM
You're all scaring me... I made a big set of beads using Cranberry the other day (last one I showed in the gallery I think). None of the beads are broken yet but I might wait a little before I put them up for sale.
I have found with this that the beads generally show some sign of problems within a day or two, not sure about everybody else, but that seems to be the rule of thumb with this one?
I got 5kg of it about 6-8 weeks ago. It is a darker shade than the batch I got before.
Hopefully your batch will be problem free, if it is a batch problem ... 5 kg? :o Blimey, and I thought I had a glass habit! :D
Quote from: MyPrecious on January 06, 2012, 01:35:15 AM
I got 5kg of it about 6-8 weeks ago. It is a darker shade than the batch I got before.
5Kg!!!!
I thought I was bad buying 1Kg of colours I like . . . . .
My batch could have been 3 years old as I had a lot of it and it was only when I got the bottom 12 rods of my pile did I start to have problems. I got it from Tuffnells.
Quote from: Calico Cat on January 06, 2012, 11:20:54 AM
Quote from: MyPrecious on January 06, 2012, 01:35:15 AM
I got 5kg of it about 6-8 weeks ago. It is a darker shade than the batch I got before.
5Kg!!!!
I thought I was bad buying 1Kg of colours I like . . . . .
It's because I sell glass... ;D
That's no excuse .. :D How can you bear to let it go?!!
Sounds like me and my hand-dyed embroidery silk - I buy it in 50 yard hanks and skein it up - I love when a delivery arrives - especially when there are new colours ;)
I have some CIM Cranberry - I don't use it very much (I'm too mean) but I'm not aware of having any problems with it - picked up at FO last year I think.
I remade my focal in identical fashion but dropping the Kugler for a desert pink base - same cracking and crazing :'( I feel like giving up. :(
Have you tried pink lady, I use it instead of rubino.
Quote from: awrylemming on January 06, 2012, 12:00:00 PM
That's no excuse .. :D How can you bear to let it go?!!
The quicker I let it go, the quicker I can place another huge order! :-P
Anyway, there are still no cracks in my Cranberry beads. Maybe the latest batch is ok?
It does seem to be a batch problem, perhaps there was just one rogue batch and we've been unlucky enough to get hold of it.
Quote from: turnedlight on January 06, 2012, 12:43:30 PM
Have you tried pink lady, I use it instead of rubino.
Pink lady is too light for this, it'll be overwhelmed by the very bright orange I think, and probably disappear into the base :-\
Depends what you're doing, but if you want a strong pink then try encasing perwinkle with rubino and pulling as a thick stringer, or layering in a bead.
Hi Sue,
I wonder if like you say it could be the batch that's a bit dodgy?
Just over a year ago I was having a right mare encasing rubino with clear, and every bead I made cracked. I started using cranberry instead and it worked fine - the beads are still ok now.
Interestingly I find that I cannot encase with it though!
I have had this batch of glass for ages now, so maybe a more recent one is even less forgiving.
What a pain in the bum, it's such a beautiful bead too :(
Can I put my twopence worth in?
I used to use a lot of dichroic glass and found at different times, different batches that it was the dichroic that was causing the cracking.Unless your'e using it as a stringer it is well worth annealing the dichroic first or testing its 104 coe. I'm not saying there's not a problem with your cranberry batch though as I've not used it.