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Title: I wanna make a marble run!
Post by: garishglobes on November 22, 2010, 12:40:50 PM
Somehow, last month, Contemporary Lampworking 3 slipped into my hands  ;D

Having been a bit sceptical about it (for no good reason), I have to say it is a really good read and well worth it. I'm working slowly through it and finding it both thought provoking and entertaining.
At the moment, I'm reading the chapter devoted to kinetic sculpture and am finding myself (despite the author's warnings on likely effects to social and personal life and my lack of a decent sized kiln or necessary skills) really drawn to the idea of making a marble run. It just sounds fun!   :D

Anyone fancy a huge marble-run-making weekend?  ;D ;D
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Post by: Chameleon on November 22, 2010, 12:43:20 PM
oooo Emma we could have a go ??
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Post by: Jolene on November 22, 2010, 12:55:14 PM
What's a marble run?
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Post by: garishglobes on November 22, 2010, 01:02:44 PM
Jolene, you don't know?!!  :o :o ;D ;D ;D

http://www.themarblerunshop.co.uk/shop/ (http://www.themarblerunshop.co.uk/shop/)

In action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aGXTSXf8Hc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aGXTSXf8Hc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOT3X3XJVYE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOT3X3XJVYE)

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Post by: ScarletLeonard on November 22, 2010, 01:20:00 PM
I'm intrigued....I now have a vision in my head of a full glass marble run.

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Post by: garishglobes on November 22, 2010, 01:29:22 PM
The one he shows is just glass rods (boro ones...) running parallel to make tracks/rails. You can make loop the loops and allsorts.
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Post by: julieHB on November 22, 2010, 01:31:32 PM
 ;D ;D There's nothing wrong with your level of ambition, Emma!! Sounds great fun, although I wouldn't know a thing about how! This is not a sign-up, my oxycon is taking a week or so recreational holiday, so I shall enjoy some fusing instead. Just wanted to say good luck!! :-*
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Post by: ScarletLeonard on November 22, 2010, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: garishglobes on November 22, 2010, 01:29:22 PM
The one he shows is just glass rods (boro ones...) running parallel to make tracks/rails. You can make loop the loops and allsorts.

Ohhhh, so it is all glass. Make it, make it, I want to see it.
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Post by: Ian Pearson on November 22, 2010, 01:56:30 PM
Sounds great but before you make a marble run you have to teach Boro how to walk !!!!!

Ian
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Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on November 22, 2010, 01:57:59 PM
Oh my fanny annie this sounds brilliant fun ;D
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Post by: jammie on November 22, 2010, 01:58:40 PM
Oh I love the track one its brilliant i want one.
Can I ask something about marbles, when I was wee I used to have a large collection of marbles ( I wondered if boro marbles are as strong as these marbles as I remember the idea of the game was to hit them off each other. Were they made in much the same way.
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Post by: Steampunkglass on November 22, 2010, 02:13:27 PM
Quote from: Ian Pearson on November 22, 2010, 01:56:30 PM
Sounds great but before you make a marble run you have to teach Boro how to walk !!!!!
:D :D :D ;D

Maybe you should try making one out of metal first, something like bronze welding rods or the like? Less liable to break plus you don't have to try and figure out how to get it all annealed. It would also be easier to tweek it, then you can use that as the protype for a glass one?
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Post by: garishglobes on November 22, 2010, 02:51:26 PM
I think a marble walk sounds a little too sedate for my liking  :D :D

Julie, I'm thinking of the dog days of January for having a go at this  ;D

Glenn, you are sounding suspiciously engineering minded there.

Jean, I drop my marbles regularly and they haven't suffered yet...boro is generally quite strong plus ours tend to be annealed, whereas I'm not sure the old-fashioned ones would have been.

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Post by: jammie on November 22, 2010, 03:35:41 PM
Right thanks I had been curious about that for a while.
So i now have to add the marble run track from you tube to my xmas wish list, my grandaughter has a box of ordinary marbles Im sure sge wouldnt mind sharing with her Grandma, in fact maybe she would like a marble run from her grandma , would have to be that one though nothing less would do , erm i feel an obsession coming on  ::) ;D
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Post by: Jolene on November 22, 2010, 03:46:53 PM
I reckon that creating somthing like that out of glass would be beautiful!!
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Post by: fionaess on November 22, 2010, 04:28:58 PM
Ahhh... but first I have to make a round marble, as opposed to an oval one !!
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Post by: Lilley on November 22, 2010, 04:36:01 PM
Just watched this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfDPCwkxQxw&NR=1
I reckon a marble run weekend would be great - where abouts are you based?
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Post by: dinah46 on November 22, 2010, 05:05:46 PM
Thanks for the link to the marble run website - just solved the problem of what to buy for my grandsons for christmas :D
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Post by: Blue Box Studio on November 22, 2010, 05:20:25 PM
Sounds fun, but not for me, I've not the expertise.

10 years ago or thereabouts I was at an art exhibition where someone had made a marble run clock.  Massive wooden clock whicn dropped the right number of marbles (or were they ball bearings) for the upcoming hour and when they got to the bottom they were flicked with great precision to strike the hour into the markble 'box' at the top, ready for next time.  It was actualloy something spectacular to see.

Will post a link if I can find it, am sure it was 'spotted' and then in the press.
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Post by: Blue Box Studio on November 22, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
OK, not quite how I remembered it, but think this is it http://www.davidbowerman.co.uk/juggler.html - was certainly a Dorset maker and would have been around the Swanage area.  It's pretty amazing to watch. 
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Post by: Hamilton Taylor on November 22, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
Have fancied doing this for quite a while - and the clock idea, too....
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Post by: garishglobes on November 22, 2010, 08:48:23 PM
Have you seen the book, Sean? It is a good read, and there is quite a chapter on kinetic sculpture in general.

That clock is quite something! We have a woodturner next door....  ;D
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Post by: Pat from Canvey on November 23, 2010, 07:35:18 AM
I still have the plastic tracking the kids used when they were small for toy car races.
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Post by: Hamilton Taylor on November 24, 2010, 08:33:21 AM
Not seen the book yet. Clockwork has been on my ambition list for a few years...
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Post by: Ian Pearson on November 24, 2010, 08:35:42 AM
Hope we dont lose our marbles with you next week Sean !!!!!!!!!

Ian
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Post by: garishglobes on November 24, 2010, 09:13:11 AM
Just be careful not to go off the rails.
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Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 08, 2011, 05:04:43 PM
Did you get any further with this Emma?
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Post by: garishglobes on February 08, 2011, 05:48:01 PM
Not yet, definitely on my wish list but xmas, chess sets and other stuff got in the way.
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Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 08, 2011, 06:16:21 PM
Ah the chess set.........bliss
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Post by: garishglobes on February 08, 2011, 06:37:16 PM
urghhh, fell into that one  ;)  :D :D

The other thing that is stopping me is the idea of making parallel lines !
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Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 08, 2011, 06:44:36 PM
Wouldn't it be awful if you made a whole run and the marble fell out halfway through :D
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Post by: fionaess on February 08, 2011, 07:15:36 PM
Quote from: Tan on February 08, 2011, 06:44:36 PM
Wouldn't it be awful if you made a whole run and the marble fell out halfway through :D

Oh that would be absolutely terrible Tan.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 08, 2011, 07:16:29 PM
It's exactly the sort of thing that would happen to me ::)
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Post by: Hamilton Taylor on February 08, 2011, 11:10:45 PM
How about......
....a marble run collaboration?

;D

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Post by: garishglobes on February 08, 2011, 11:13:51 PM
ooh, now you're talking!  ;D
Better put a net in it too though, for any dropped ones.
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Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 09, 2011, 06:05:39 AM
net....s ;D
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Post by: garishglobes on February 16, 2011, 02:01:09 PM
I can't stop thinking about marble runs now. I keep trying to work out how practical it would be to have a go, how to hold the pieces together, whether it would be possible to do a fairground marble ride, allsorts.  :D
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Post by: Hamilton Taylor on February 16, 2011, 05:18:42 PM
How about....

....everyone who wants to play makes, say, 4 or 5 inches of vertical drop?
Then, we work out what scaffolding we need, put it together, and wizz mibs down it.

Need to agree on the 'guage', so we don't end up with lots of different track widths...

waddayathink?
:)
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Post by: garishglobes on February 16, 2011, 05:51:23 PM
I'd been wondering if something like that was possible  :)

So, we need to work out gauge and whether anyone is prepared to do corners  :P
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Post by: Les on February 16, 2011, 08:22:16 PM
Quote from: Hamilton Taylor on February 16, 2011, 05:18:42 PM
wizz mibs down it.

;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Stacy on February 16, 2011, 08:31:50 PM
Your a bunch of nutters!!! ;D

but nutters which i have no doubt will pull it off!!!
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Post by: Steampunkglass on February 16, 2011, 09:01:55 PM
Quote from: Hamilton Taylor on February 16, 2011, 05:18:42 PM
How about....

....everyone who wants to play makes, say, 4 or 5 inches of vertical drop?
Then, we work out what scaffolding we need, put it together, and wizz mibs down it.

Need to agree on the 'guage', so we don't end up with lots of different track widths...

waddayathink?
:)
Sounds good to me!!!  ;D
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Post by: Hamilton Taylor on February 17, 2011, 10:55:29 AM
We will need to make marbles for it too - if we say 1" marbles, then the track just needs to be <1". Use your skill and judgement to keep the mib on track. Section entry and exit should be at fixed guage (say 3/4"?) so sections match up, and we must keep mib speed slow at section exits, in case of tight corners etc. on the next section.

There's more to this than meets the eye...

::)

Sean
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Post by: garishglobes on February 17, 2011, 11:45:39 AM
Right, back to Contemporary Lampworking for a quick read.

Section entry and exit at 3/4" sound good to me, should I start a marble run thread and, ummm.... get this rolling?  :D
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Post by: Hamilton Taylor on February 17, 2011, 12:47:29 PM
another thought - each section should have a reference for levelling, so all the slopes slope right. two horizontal rod sections at right angles should do, although I know where to get stick-on levelling bubbles... :D

Sean
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Post by: garishglobes on February 17, 2011, 01:07:50 PM
Unless each section starts and ends with a specified length of horizontal?
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Post by: Steampunkglass on February 17, 2011, 02:21:01 PM
Thats a good idea, it's easier to do level than working out pitches, if it's a shortish length and the marble/s have enough momentium to carry them to the next section.

The only other problem is getting them joining at the right height? I'm imagining a miniature rollercoaster in my head so might be loosing the plot here.....
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Post by: Hamilton Taylor on February 17, 2011, 05:22:05 PM
Just make them all to the same drop - scaffolding to be arranged upon assembly.
Horizontal in and out sections is good!
Now, where's Emma to compile the rulebook?
;)

Sean
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Post by: garishglobes on February 17, 2011, 06:25:34 PM
Hey, give me time!  :D
I'll start a new and dedicated thread and try and thrash out a rough plan of action tonight   :)
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Post by: Pat from Canvey on February 19, 2011, 03:57:32 PM
Would the track be more possible if you cut boro tubing in half then put the necessary bends in it. I have a diamond bandsaw and I'm sure others will have say a Gryffon or Taurus ring saw.
See http://www.gryphoncorp.com/index.php?p=ringsaw and http://www.creativeglassshop.co.uk/taurus-iii-diamond-ring-saw-p-1788.html