I hope I am moving in 2 months or so.
So my question is now that I am having to leave my tardis and in my house that I will be moving back to there is no shed ( till hubby builds one ) so where do people do there lampworking if they have no shed ??
I started off in a conservatory, not ideal as very bright in there but it served a purpose. Now I am in the garage. I have partitioned off a the back as a proper workshop but I started working in there before the wall went in. I was lucky as there was already a side door and windows.
Congratulations on the move, I know you've been hoping for a change of scene! Do you know where you are going?
anywhere they can ;)
from previous threads i can remember ....conservatories , kitchens, bedsits ,caravans , converted landrovers , garages, spare bedrooms ...
good luck with the move ;D
I got a shed. Some folks have a compact set up they put u pin their kitchen and clear it all away after each session.
Yay! ;D Are you off back down south to Manchester?
Going back to Manchester ( I hope ) settle for a few years then look at moving further out where we all feel comfortable . As I said I love the lifestyle it is just the island.
Son is not happy >:(
Husband not too keen either but work dictates for him . :-\
So I have a spare bedroom but the hubby is worried about the propane being in the house ???
I think the move the only 2 people that will be happy is me & the cat !!!! ( but i will be nearer for the flame off )
I am working in the kitchen/diner its quite large and the patio doors are right there for ventilation along with the extractor fan. Not ideal but only me and DH here now so at least I dont have to move it everyday.
I lampwork in the kitchen. I've permanently taken over the kitchen table :D (We didn't eat at it anyway).
When we move I'll be looking for somewhere with a scullery-type extension, as that would be ideal. I'd rather still be attached to the house instead of in a shed, but still be able to keep the propane outdoors. Otherwise, any ground floor room with the propane outside the window.
If your spare bedroom's on the first floor and you have any outdoor space, you could still run your piping temporarily out of the window when in use and have the propane outdoors.
The smallest studio in the world is in my bedroom, between the foot of the bed and the wardrobe, and is a converted computer unit that is about 6 ft x 3ft in size. The oxycon and the glass live under the desk, and the work area is about 2ft x 2ft! My fan has a long hose on it that ventilates out the side window on the landing.
Not ideal, but it's only option in my 1 bed flat (my bf has his drum kit in the living room already!). I have perspex sides on my booth to stop the glass flying around the place. Fortunately we have a knackered carpet in there already thanks to my cat and her shredding claws, so the odd carpet burn from a bit of glass makes no difference. Also, being so small it means I have to keep it tidy, so everything gets put away after use.
I bring my propane in and out of the flat after each use (we live on the first floor), so I have quick release tubing and use the wee bottles of propane 3.9kg, so they aren't too heavy to lug up and down!
I am living proof that where there's a will, there's a way.............
the house we go back to is semi detached so the box room would be the place where the propane could be used ????
I am set up in our spare bedroom, it was my original intention to keep the propane outside and only bring it in when i wanted to use it but it never happened and my bottle lives inside permanently!
I have converted our brick outhouse which houses our washer and dryer into a studio.....pictures hopefully by the end of the weekend! Its not a huge space, but my dad has rigged up a really great L shaped worktop so I have bags of room.
A lot of people lampwork (and have propane) in the house.
I used to cook with it and the tank was next to the cooker.
Be aware of the risks, plan accordingly and you'll be fine :)
In the dining room - I live on my own so I guess I could have it wherever really but it's a good space and has room for my other stuff like sewing machine and computer desk - an all encompassing study/studio! I don't think that would ever move somewhere that didn't have a work-room of sorts. When I was growing up my mother, who is ubercreative, always have a sewing room/studio for her dressmaking, knitting machines and arty stuff with a massive material cutting table in it. I find it hard to imagine having to work in the garagge (unless your garage looks like Beverley Hicklins - which is a plainly awesome setup)
In my caravan! It's cosy, ventillated, portable, and I worked in there when it was -17c last winter!! I'm relocating though in the nest few months into a garden building thats much bigger as I really need more space for new projects etc, so my beady van will be up for sale. It really is everything you want in a studio and my propane is stored in the toilet compartment. Once you have all the safety aspects covered like flashback arrestor, fire extinguisher, water, and hoses tucked nicely away from any flying glass, it's as safe as it can be.
I am in a 1 bedroom first floor flat, the propane is on the landing with the pipe going under the door to my desk. Everything was/is good oh yes apart from the time the flat below had a faulty fridge which caused a fire in about 10mins.....I let Simon explain to the lovely fireman why there was a bottle of propane in the house :-[ ;D
The burgers even took my torch of the desk!!! :o
So if the hubby makes it as safe as it is in the garage now with the propane it should be ok in the box room ?
The garage now is attached to the house so only difference is a solid wall in-between really but I know when we get straight again and settled the hubby would want me outside in a shed .
I am still working on the kitchen table after 3 years or so, I open the windows and back door and keep my propane in the corner under the fish tank. We keep planning different places but they have yet to get actioned. It does mean I have to be tidy and pack it all away each time, which is not a thing that comes naturally to me.
XXX
Looks like the box room is the way to go !!!!
At least I will be warm :o :o
I'm the same as Heather, permanently camped on the kitchen table (we eat in the dining room). My stuff only gets put away if we're throwing a party or something similar. The propane sits outside the back door, but came inside last winter as it was just a bit chilly.
David did offer me part of the shed he built at the bottom of the garden, the kids have a 10 foot square room and the rest is the 'garden shed', he'd have made it a bit bigger and kitted it out for me if I'd said yes, but the thought of walking down the bottom of the garden in the peeing rain and pitch dark, or through all the cobwebs the spiders string across the path put me off somewhat.
I live in a two bed flat, my bedroom is the small bedroom and I have everything set up in the master bedroom (Mum HATES it, for the first three months after I moved in she went on and on about it, but, what is the point of using the second largest room to be asleep in? and lets face it when any 'activity' goes on in the bed room, it tends to be focused 'on' the bed ;) )
I keep the propane tank inside all the time, the only time it goes in or out is when I am getting a new one. I have alarms and sensors all round it and I bleed the pipes after every use.
I can't really put it out side, it would get pinched or the stupid children upstairs would fiddle with it. Also I am not allowed to make any holes in the walls from outside to in
I have proper ventilation. It goes out through the air brick so again I haven't needed to make holes in the walls.
The insurance company said that I could have up to 25kg of gas in the flat before they felt that the policy would need changing. (On the proviso that I'm not running a business...) Maybe a conflab with the insurance company will put the hubby's mind at rest?
that you have propane in the flat and knowing i will not be the only one makes me feel so much better. Many Thanks for that ;D ;D
Plus I will at least be warm this winter I hope :P
Hi, Newbie here,
Those that work in a room in their house- Is there any prob with home insurance?
I really want to set my studio up in a spare room but DH wants me in a shed as he thinks I'm careless and will burn our house down!
Any Advice?
GG
For me there wasn't a problem because I am doing mine as a hobby.
The contents people told me that if I was to change to business then they wouldn't insure the business stuff but they would insure everything else.
The buildings insurance people will only insure me as a hobby because I live in a flat and the lease forbids businesses.
But ring your insurance companies and talk to them even if it is just a hobby. If/when you are ready to take to selling your glass creations then talk to the insurance companies again, they chances are that they will give you a very high quote but there are other insurance companies that specialise in scary art/craft businesses that will be happy to give you a more reasonable quote.
Quote from: puffin on September 03, 2010, 08:27:02 PM
So if the hubby makes it as safe as it is in the garage now with the propane it should be ok in the box room ?
The garage now is attached to the house so only difference is a solid wall in-between really but I know when we get straight again and settled the hubby would want me outside in a shed .
I read somehwere (and I can't for the life of me remember where it was now!) that the Fire Brigade will not enter your premises in the event of a fire unless it is to save human life, if there is a propane bottle in your house. Apparently, it can blow your house and that of your neighbours on either side sky high if a fire breaks out and even smash every window on your street. I'm also not sure how it would affect your house insurance - if there was a fire and consequently a huge explosion that absolutely devastated your property as a result of a propane bottle, then your insurers may well refuse to indemnify you.
Personally..... I would either find somewhere outside of your property (such as a shed) to work in, or make sure that your propane is kept outside. At the very least, check the small print on your house insurance policy to make sure.
Just to be safe. :)
I'm a corner of the kitchen girl, everything is squeezed in there from floor to ceiling and I work beside the back door so I open it for ventilation.
And brilliant news on your move I know you were unhappy where you were :-*
Quote from: Fruddy on September 12, 2010, 12:57:10 PM
Quote from: puffin on September 03, 2010, 08:27:02 PM
So if the hubby makes it as safe as it is in the garage now with the propane it should be ok in the box room ?
The garage now is attached to the house so only difference is a solid wall in-between really but I know when we get straight again and settled the hubby would want me outside in a shed .
I read somehwere (and I can't for the life of me remember where it was now!) that the Fire Brigade will not enter your premises in the event of a fire unless it is to save human life, if there is a propane bottle in your house. Apparently, it can blow your house and that of your neighbours on either side sky high if a fire breaks out and even smash every window on your street. I'm also not sure how it would affect your house insurance - if there was a fire and consequently a huge explosion that absolutely devastated your property as a result of a propane bottle, then your insurers may well refuse to indemnify you.
Personally..... I would either find somewhere outside of your property (such as a shed) to work in, or make sure that your propane is kept outside. At the very least, check the small print on your house insurance policy to make sure.
Just to be safe. :)
God!! that's a bit melodramatic! :o Don't you think if that was the case that there would be far more security and checks involved when you bought the things!
I think some one has been scaring you unnecessarily there. Neither of my insurance companies batted an eye lid when I told them about the gas tank being in the flat and they weren't really fuss about knowing what I did with it so long as I didn't make money.
BUT I would strongly recommend telling your insurance company that there is one at your property just in case they try and use it as a get out clause to pay out on a claim (see insurance company not paying out on dad's insurance when he had a heart attack because he hadn't put down that he'd had knee surgery, which he left out at the instructions of the guy selling it to him even though he was sitting there with it all trussed up two days after having it done)
thanks tan about the move ;D ;D strange i am excited about leaving , my husband who has been south is excited about coming back. :P
my propane is in the garage now and could still blow up the house, plus I have a super massive one that does the oven right outside that would defo blow up the south side of the house. it is massive and we do not turn it off or bleed the pipes like i do when beading.
I expect my husband will put me outside in the end , but if I am in the warm and he will set it up when we get back and if others on here do it and have been for years then that puts my mind at rest.
Up here I have learn't that living in the south made me too health and safety ott. As long as I am careful and it is only a temp time then I am gonna give it a go. :o :o
I already have an idea where the new shed will go just hope the hubby will do it :P :P
Quote from: puffin on September 12, 2010, 01:46:05 PM
I already have an idea where the new shed will go just hope the hubby will do it :P :P
Make a nuisance of yourself nagging and mithering about it puffin and he will cave in eventually! ;D
Quote from: Krysia on September 12, 2010, 01:13:43 PM
Quote from: Fruddy on September 12, 2010, 12:57:10 PM
Quote from: puffin on September 03, 2010, 08:27:02 PM
So if the hubby makes it as safe as it is in the garage now with the propane it should be ok in the box room ?
The garage now is attached to the house so only difference is a solid wall in-between really but I know when we get straight again and settled the hubby would want me outside in a shed .
I read somehwere (and I can't for the life of me remember where it was now!) that the Fire Brigade will not enter your premises in the event of a fire unless it is to save human life, if there is a propane bottle in your house. Apparently, it can blow your house and that of your neighbours on either side sky high if a fire breaks out and even smash every window on your street. I'm also not sure how it would affect your house insurance - if there was a fire and consequently a huge explosion that absolutely devastated your property as a result of a propane bottle, then your insurers may well refuse to indemnify you.
Personally..... I would either find somewhere outside of your property (such as a shed) to work in, or make sure that your propane is kept outside. At the very least, check the small print on your house insurance policy to make sure.
Just to be safe. :)
God!! that's a bit melodramatic! :o Don't you think if that was the case that there would be far more security and checks involved when you bought the things!
Someone called Stuart The Gasman posted that information on here........ I read it before I bought my set up when I was doing research......
Extract below.If exposed to enough heat a bottle of propane can cause an explosion powerful enough to destroy a house, and the neighbours and blow out all the windows in your street. This type of explosion is called a BLEVE (Burning Liquid Expanding Vapour Explosion). Heat on the bottle causes the liquid propane to boil and the pressure in the bottle increases dramatically. The heat also weakens the bottle. When the bottle bursts a cloud of propane is instantaneously ejected and mixed with the surrounding air. Almost instantaneously this ignites causing a concussive explosion. Calor gas bottles are designed so that the valve mechanism insert is weaker than the bottle, this should mean that the top of the bottle should blow off before the pressure reaches a point where the explosion will very serious.
If there is a propane bottle stored inside your house the fire brigade will only enter your house to save life. After saving life, their first priority will be to cool the bottle, even if it means the rest of your house is left to burn down. Could the fire brigade get a water hose onto your gas bottle from outside the house if there is a fire?Calor gas guidelines do not allow propane to be stored indoors. (Butane can be because it has a much lower pressure and poses a lower risk.)
http://www.calor.co.uk/customer-services/lpg-safety/lpg-cylinder-storage/cylinder-storage-information/
http://www.calor.co.uk/customer-services/lpg-safety/lpg-cylinder-storage/full-and-empty-cylinders/
http://www.calor.co.uk/documents/43/original/code-of-guidance-for-storage-of-cylinders.pdf
Just because your house hasn't burnt down and your gas bottle has caused a problem in the last 20 years doesn't mean it wont happen tonight.
If your propane bottle comes into contact with fire it is placing everyone in your house and your neighbours at risk of death. It is illegal to store propane inside a domestic property for good reason.
Would you expect a fireman to enter a burning house containing a gas bottle to save the life of your family?Stuart
hmmm well the fire brigade came into our up stairs flat, passed the gas bottle and took the torch off the desk...thats all they did. They left it connected and everything, no comments were made apart from ' your smoke detector is out of date, we will put up a new one for you'
The fire downstairs was caused by the fridge freezer and would of killed them downstairs and us with 2 lungs full, it is apparently very common.
Two weeks after this a neighbours car was set light to, it had a can of lighter gas on the back seat, now that went BOOM and the street was evacuated lol after it went boom! I think that if they were worried they would of done the same with my gas bottle.....dont you?
Perhaps Stuart the Gasman's information should be altered then.... I know myself from being a newbie to Lampworking and knowing nothing about gas that I believed what he put in his thread - if it is not the case then its misleading and quite scary!!!
Sorry if I have alarmed you unnecessarily Puffin! ;D
Not Alarmed at all . I was just making sure that others had it in their houses as well , until they moved it into the garden .
Means I will be nice and warm this winter ;D ;D
I have to admit I lured a fireman into our home last month when a neighbours house caught fire and he wasn't bothered about the tank either, just the fact our fire alarms were dead
If my place was on fire and I saw a fireman looking like he was going to walk into the place I would tell him that it was in there. People, then things...
People on here have seen the fire brigade lifting gas tanks out of fires. It does take a lot for a closed gas tank to explode. There was a new bloke of flats in london that went up about 6 months ago. They said that it was a gas tank. Now the building was spotted as being on fire at 4 in the morning and at that point the timber frame was well alight. They said later that the tank exploded. These tanks do not explode on their own.
I think it's very easy to get very worried about having a gas tank in the home and yes I would prefer to have mine out side, but it is far safer inside. There are small children running around out side and they are the types of children that are stupid enough to fiddle with gas tanks. >:( Then there is also the worry that it would get pinched. I live next to a park, all it would take is a couple of drunkards to drag it up the hill with a lighter.
Quote from: Fruddy on September 12, 2010, 03:36:23 PM
It is illegal to store propane inside a domestic property for good reason.
If this were the case, why are both my contents and building insurers happy for me to have up to 25kg of gas 'in' the flat?
Fruddy, I am glad you have done your research just please be aware that there is some stuff that is very strongly worded when perhaps it doesn't need to be as strong as it is. ;)
Tracy, was it a zanussi fridge freezer?
Remember those Calor Gas heaters we had in the 70's and 80's and still have up here. I never saw my mum turning off the gas after each use , so I presume that is the same sort of stuff if not the same. And us as lampworkers bleed the pipes and turn off gas after every use.
I never thought of those heaters until I saw someone was using one to heat her hall. My mum used it to heat the kitchen :-\
It's also always worth remembering that any post on any board is the opinion of the individual posting it, rather than something written in tablets of stone, or the view of the forum as a whole. Of course it's important to be safety conscious, but anyone who gets in a car on a regular basis is taking far more of a chance than a sensible lampworker if you ask me.
Quote from: mizgeorge on September 17, 2010, 09:23:15 AM
It's also always worth remembering that any post on any board is the opinion of the individual posting it, rather than something written in tablets of stone, or the view of the forum as a whole. Of course it's important to be safety conscious, but anyone who gets in a car on a regular basis is taking far more of a chance than a sensible lampworker if you ask me.
here here !! I agree with that , never thought of that at all.
For what it's worth, the actual HSE guidelines are here:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/chis5.pdf
It's quite clear that the number of references to 'indoors' would suggest that they regard it as safe provided reasonable precautions are taken. I suspect the more scary wording of the calor documents has a lot to do with them covering their own backs (and who can blame them for that).
Personally, I think the only place I wouldn't happily keep a propane cylinder would be a basement or cellar.
We are all fretting about propane indoors but it is used all over the place not just us lampworkers. What about all the caravan and campers driving around with two tanks of propane stashed in the front locker. Nobody says we shouldn't go camping. Recently a campervan burnt out near us, presumably that had gas tanks in it - nobody evecuated the rest of the village. They must be design to take most extremes othewise they would be too unsafe to be in such common usage surely...
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So basically it is decided I AM going in the spare room ( Yeah nice and warm, nice and warm ) .
I will get a small propane, non venty ventilation thingy ( sounds good ) have already got carbon monoxide alarm , just need to move and get hubby to set it all up again so I know it is safe.
Bum wiggle coming on as I am sooooo excited , AGAIN . !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FHTXwpVMvs
:D
Quote from: Lesley Jane on September 17, 2010, 12:07:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FHTXwpVMvs
:D
OMG . Well I am no money penny . Amazing ;) ;) And I have no gun
hehe ... I watched it on TV just recently... and this thread reminded me :D
good find! ;D