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Technical Forum => Studio/workspace/setup/equipment => Kilns => Topic started by: Mand on February 22, 2010, 05:11:12 PM

Title: Damp Kiln paper query
Post by: Mand on February 22, 2010, 05:11:12 PM
Hi

I have some kiln paper that's been out in my shed for a couple of years  :-\   I've never used it but fancy having a go at fusing some rods and bits.   (I have one of those solid tile kiln shelves).   The paper is a bit damp and it sort of disintegrates if I pull it about a bit (- well when I was rummaging it did.. :P)   Will it be OK if I gave the paper a little firing of it's own in the kiln before I commence my fusing adventure? (I have a tut to follow for the :-\ fusing bit from Helen which Katiequiggle recommended).

Thanks,

Mand
Title: Re: Damp Kiln paper query
Post by: ♥♥Tan♥♥ on February 22, 2010, 06:36:38 PM
No, its designed to crumble upon firing, just lay it as flat as you can and air dry it, if its really fragile lay it out in the kiln and air dry it to save moving it more than once
Title: Re: Damp Kiln paper query
Post by: Mand on February 22, 2010, 06:59:38 PM
Brilliant!  Thanks Tan.  ;D
Title: Re: Damp Kiln paper query
Post by: Katiequiggle on February 22, 2010, 10:08:57 PM
While we're on the subject of kiln paper, does anyone know the cheapest place to buy it.  I only had one sheet cut up into kiln tile sizes and I've nearly used it all now.
Title: Re: Damp Kiln paper query
Post by: Zeldazog on February 22, 2010, 11:17:10 PM
I don't know if there's any other sources, I normally get mine from Warm Glass as I am usually ordering other stuff anyway:

http://www.warm-glass.co.uk/Shop/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=2532 (http://www.warm-glass.co.uk/Shop/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=2532)

Just had my geek head on, and worked out the cheapest option is buying the pack of 100 sheets, but only of you have £140 plus to spare!  Next best deal is the 10 x 52cm2 pack, and the the 5 x works out next cheapest (cheaper than the roll!)

However, Katie, if you're going to use it regularly, I would go for kiln wash instead,

http://www.warm-glass.co.uk/Shop/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=324 (http://www.warm-glass.co.uk/Shop/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=324)

It's far more economical and still gives a nice finish, especially if you use use a haik brush to apply (or water sprayer but it gets clogged regularly).  When I brush it on, when its dry I rub over it gently with either hand or paper towel to get a smooth top coat, gets out brush marks.  And it usually is good for a few firings too.

HTH

Dawn
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Title: Re: Damp Kiln paper query
Post by: Pat from Canvey on February 23, 2010, 08:28:12 AM
Be aware though Katie that all kiln paper is not the same quality or thickness. Creative Glass in Rochester do a very good paper but it's pricey. See http://www.creativeglassshop.co.uk/kiln-preparation-shelf-primer-thinfire-paper-and-overglaze-c-82_85_88.html
Title: Re: Damp Kiln paper query
Post by: Zeldazog on February 23, 2010, 08:45:11 AM
Quote from: Pat from Canvey on February 23, 2010, 08:28:12 AM
Be aware though Katie that all kiln paper is not the same quality or thickness. Creative Glass in Rochester do a very good paper but it's pricey. See http://www.creativeglassshop.co.uk/kiln-preparation-shelf-primer-thinfire-paper-and-overglaze-c-82_85_88.html

I think the one warm glass do will be the same as this, it's also called Thinfire, which I thought was Bullseye's brand name for it.

You can also get ceramic fibre paper, in 3mm thickness, which is good for more than one firing (if you don't try and move it from the shelf) but that's even more expensive than thin fire and doesn't give a nice smooth surface.

Title: Re: Damp Kiln paper query
Post by: Mand on February 23, 2010, 09:30:13 AM
Mine came with the kiln - from Rob at Cherry Heaven.