I notice on flea-bay that there are beads that has things added ie:
incased in the bead things like copper, sliver mesh and foil,
three questions
1)does theses beads not break when they cool down?
2)is the foil kitchen foil?
3)How can they sell beads cheaper than the cost of the raw glass
including a silver lining?
i made a critter that used about £1-£2 in glass not including the gas and time,
not that i want to make money, but a lot of you on here does, i then see a glass critter
on fleabay £12 per 50 (24p each) so to compete you guys have to work for £1ph or less??
Made in China........ :-\
Made in a hurry, possibly not annealed, maybe inferior glass and will break somewhere down the line, workers not paid properly, bad working conditions... >:(
1) No they don't break from metal inclusions (unless you add way too much metal, perhaps...)
2) Probably not, I don't think kitchen foil stands the heat of a lampwork torch. Most of us use silver foil (as in real silver), but there must be cheaper alternatives too since I can't believe the cheap mass produced foil beads contain any traces of real silver... I hope some of the pros can provide more info since I'm just guessing :)
3) Chinese workers don't have the same wages as we do ;) They can mass produce beads at incredible speed and I guess they get the glass at bulk prices. And I doubt the silver cores are real silver...
My first estimate was way off, its more like -£2ph
So how do you compete with the Chinese workers?
you don't ! many members on the board they get repeat business because their beads and great looking,great quality and very well made
I don't sell items on ebay anymore I got depressed being under cut by carp!
Quality rather than quantity :) I'd rather sell one bead for $20 than ten beads for $2 each anyway...
Quote from: Noodle on January 18, 2010, 04:59:01 PM
I don't sell items on ebay anymore I got depressed being under cut by carp!
yes, it's like some kind of fishy Mafia.....! ;)
I learned not to even try and compete with Chinese and Indian beads. They have their place and some of them are a nice-ish quality but generally people soon see a huge difference in quality between those beads and "artisan" lampwork. I have customers who start out with cheap lampwork but once they've gotten a taste for the good stuff they don't go back.
Cheap lampwork has jagged bead holes, is often cracked before you buy it and is never annealed. They don't bother cleaning the bead holes. Of course all this extra care we take (or should take!) means that you pay more but there's nothing worse than using a cheapo bead and seeing it fall off your jewellery because it has cracked.
If you want to see some quality lampwork on Ebay check it out:
http://completed.shop.ebay.com/i.html?MA2ShowItems&_trksid=p3286.c0.m283&_rdc=1&_sop=3&_sticky=1&_fln=1&_nkw=lampwork+beads&LH_Complete=1&_sc=1&guest=1
Now, some of those are stunning! :o
Some, it has to be said, less so...
http://cgi.ebay.com/lampwork-MURZNO-glass-bead-fit-PANDORA-10000-Pcs-Hot_W0QQitemZ320462591694QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9d0f16ce (http://cgi.ebay.com/lampwork-MURZNO-glass-bead-fit-PANDORA-10000-Pcs-Hot_W0QQitemZ320462591694QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9d0f16ce)
but at least even this seller is honest - "Ebay price is lowest, quality had better". ;D
Hmm...that Murzno glass - is that from near Venize? ;)
Quote from: Redhotsal on January 18, 2010, 07:48:09 PM
Hmm...that Murzno glass - is that from near Venize? ;)
Stop - right now - cos I am about to wet myself!
Quote from: caraj316 on January 18, 2010, 10:12:20 PM
Quote from: garishglobes on January 18, 2010, 06:57:34 PM
Now, some of those are stunning! :o
Some, it has to be said, less so...
http://cgi.ebay.com/lampwork-MURZNO-glass-bead-fit-PANDORA-10000-Pcs-Hot_W0QQitemZ320462591694QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9d0f16ce (http://cgi.ebay.com/lampwork-MURZNO-glass-bead-fit-PANDORA-10000-Pcs-Hot_W0QQitemZ320462591694QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9d0f16ce)
but at least even this seller is honest - "Ebay price is lowest, quality had better". ;D
These also say "stamped 925 on the core...Beads with silver plated core."
Hmmm
You almost have to admire the poetry.....
Quote from: Redhotsal on January 18, 2010, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: Noodle on January 18, 2010, 04:59:01 PM
I don't sell items on ebay anymore I got depressed being under cut by carp!
yes, it's like some kind of fishy Mafia.....! ;)
:D that made me chuckle proper
But can somebody explain what these two ladies are doing right? Plain CiM Sapphire, etched, even labelled as lentils when they're not?
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Women-on-Fire-handmade-lampwork-beads-Sapphire-Blue_W0QQitemZ260533195254QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca8fd11f6#ht_676wt_1415
I just looked - did someone really pay $202 for those? :o
Quote from: sparrow on January 19, 2010, 08:10:15 AM
But can somebody explain what these two ladies are doing right? Plain CiM Sapphire, etched, even labelled as lentils when they're not?
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Women-on-Fire-handmade-lampwork-beads-Sapphire-Blue_W0QQitemZ260533195254QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca8fd11f6#ht_676wt_1415
Yes, Sabine - I can tell you what they're doing - they're rubbing their hands with delight!
I've been a "lampwork on Ebay.com" watcher for years. I was initially hooked when Kim Neeley's beads started going for literally thousands of dollars. There's never been a logical explanation for a lot of it - but I seriously believe that there is a small and elite group of very well heeled "collectors" in the American market. I think that they know each other and I think that the game isn't just to buy collectable lampwork but it is to out-do each other in the auctions. They definitely all latch onto a particular buyer for a while and then move on. I won't mention names as I would one day love them to fight over my beads too! ;)
I was wondering about those 2 Women too :o ??? ???
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Women-on-Fire-handmade-lampwork-beads-Stone-Blue_W0QQitemZ260536517610QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca92fc3ea#ht_700wt_1415
Well, my gob is well and truely smacked..................... obviously some people have more money than sense....
mine too! smacked gob ???
I am baffled by the way beads sell on ebay too! I have seen collections orphans and one offs go from people on here, tree beads and really intricate beautiful beads, really deserving a bit of competition over them and understandable that they are wanted for a collection, but they dont even reach the price of thse sets which are quite plain biggish spacers which you can get really easily from really good lampworkers for a fraction of that price.