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Lampwork => COE 104 => Topic started by: Trudi on March 23, 2007, 09:15:24 PM

Title: small black marks
Post by: Trudi on March 23, 2007, 09:15:24 PM
Hmm A few of my beads have vert slight  - very thin black lines on them - any ideas??
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: Les on March 23, 2007, 09:23:01 PM
What set up are you using ?? It could be dirt from the flame.... or too much fuel in the flame ??

Les xx
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: Trudi on March 23, 2007, 09:43:55 PM
I'm on a HH - I was on Mapp when I made the beads (Sorry - should have taken a picture) - I'm now on bulk propane!

Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: BeadyBugs on March 23, 2007, 09:46:30 PM
You could be burning the glass?  It depends on the colour and how hot you are working it?  If you are on bulk, you tend to be more prone to burning the glass, I always used to work with the propane turned down a little, as I burnt everything when I switched from MAPP.

If it's not that, it might be metallic reactions, again depending on the glass?  Have you got any close up pictures?

And I don't know if the marks rub or scrape off, or if you are using vermiculite, but it could even be fluff or dust in the vermiculite burning on to the bead when you plunge it in.

HP x
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: Trudi on March 23, 2007, 10:38:36 PM
Hi

I'll try and get some pictures in the morning - it's effrete glass that came in my starter kit - I think it might be periwinkle it's a soft opaque lilacy blue colour.

I use fibre blankets!
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: CelticGlass on March 23, 2007, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: shine-on2 on March 23, 2007, 10:38:36 PM
Hi

I'll try and get some pictures in the morning - it's effrete glass that came in my starter kit - I think it might be periwinkle it's a soft opaque lilacy blue colour.

I use fibre blankets!

Your glass rods need to be spotlessly clean also when you start work. Even a little hand cream or grease will turn to carbon deposits when the flame cooks it. I clean mine with methylated spirit..... before lighting the flame of course..nowhere near the flame  :'(
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: Shirley on March 24, 2007, 08:27:51 AM
Trudi, I had the same problem when I switched to bulk. I think it was because I needed to get used to the flame all over again. I'd got in the habit of working the bead quite close to the torch head when the pressure was dropping on the MAPP can, and now I need to work a lot further out. I've got a fair few beads that are either streaky or that turned a bit runny!
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: Trudi on March 24, 2007, 08:39:12 AM
Hi

I made these while I was still on the dreaded MAPP - I switched to bulk last night!!

This is the worst one!

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/shine-on2/DSCF0662.jpg)
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: Les on March 24, 2007, 10:36:19 AM
to me that looks a little like dirt contamination.... if it was your fuel or torch, then I'm pretty sure the black marks wouls be throughout the whole bead....
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: Trudi on March 24, 2007, 10:49:26 AM
It's hard to to tell as it's opaque - but I think it's just on the surface - I could be wrong!
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: glassworks on March 24, 2007, 11:40:55 AM
hi chap - it looks awfully like a spot of soot or dirt either off the end of the torch or off the rod... any tiny little specks of carbon that may be in the torch head can get blown out .. stunning bead though - especially in the necklace...

i may also be a little cooked - but then i would expect it to be a little bigger area?..

???
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: beadysam on March 24, 2007, 07:42:31 PM
Could it be an opalino colour?  They are difficult to work with, and you have to go slooowww and cooolll or you can get sooty areas where it burns.  I haven't played with opalinos for ages but it took me a while to get the temp right to avoid the sooty marks.

Give the rod a clean and try again.  Do a sample bead worked hot and one worked cold and see ahet happens.  Have fun!
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: Trudi on March 24, 2007, 08:18:09 PM
Cheers

I'll try that!
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: BeadyBugs on March 24, 2007, 10:06:14 PM
Hi Trudi,

I'm not sure from the little picture and I could be wrong, but is the black on the surface?  I doesn't look like it's pulled through the glass, it looks like a denser, rougher line?  If so, and you try scraping it off with your nail or a wet plastic pan scrub and it disappears, it's probably some fluff or hair in your vermiculite or fibre blanket burning onto the bead when it's placed inside it. 

A few months ago, I started to get the occasional black scribbled-looking mark on my beads that weren't there when I took them out of the flame, but appeared after cooling in vermiculite.  I couldn't work out where they were coming from, til I realized a stray hair had fallen in :o.  Yuck!  Changed the vermiculite - problem solved. ;D

Hope you get it sorted, what ever it is?

HP x
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: Trudi on March 25, 2007, 08:14:13 AM
Thanks for that I'll give it a try!
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: Trudi on March 26, 2007, 06:30:17 PM
Quote from: CelticGlass on March 23, 2007, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: shine-on2 on March 23, 2007, 10:38:36 PM
Hi

I'll try and get some pictures in the morning - it's effrete glass that came in my starter kit - I think it might be periwinkle it's a soft opaque lilacy blue colour.

I use fibre blankets!

Your glass rods need to be spotlessly clean also when you start work. Even a little hand cream or grease will turn to carbon deposits when the flame cooks it. I clean mine with methylated spirit..... before lighting the flame of course..nowhere near the flame  :'(

I've just got a delivery of rods in with marks at the bottom - I presume from the factory - now you 've said that you use methylated spirit to clean them - do you use any particualr cloth and do you have to clean that off afterwards before going near the flame with it - or will it evaorate off after a few mins?

Thanks

Trudi
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: glassworks on March 26, 2007, 06:48:36 PM
they just wipe off - we don't bother and have never had a problem at all.... not sure if it has something to do with the torch burning a little more propane that throws it up.... with the minnow, betta, minor or major we don't get a single mark... if you wipe with meths it will evaporate in seconds and then be perfectly safw to use... wipe with meths FAR AWAY from you burner though!!!
Title: Re: small black marks
Post by: Trudi on March 26, 2007, 07:20:22 PM
Cheers Q - now shouldn't you be sorting out the ASK rods!   ;D