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Lampwork => COE 104 => Topic started by: Im a glassy babe on April 27, 2009, 01:47:34 PM

Title: Annealing cim and effetre
Post by: Im a glassy babe on April 27, 2009, 01:47:34 PM
I am getting confused!  ???

I'm trying to find a schedule to anneal as I go CIM and Effetre at the same time.  Maybe also a little reichenbach too.  ::)

Now I've found the following in another thread for effetre:

RAMP 1     Full
TEMP 1     510C (garaging temp)
HOLD 1     6.00
RAMP 2     Full
TEMP 2     520c (annealing temp)
HOLD 2     60 mins
RAMP 3     78c
TEMP 3     371c
HOLD 3     0.00
RAMP 4     0000

I've just been reading threads about CIM and found that ginger requires 1110F which according to the calculations given to convert into c = 600c.

Is this right or am I reading it all wrong (very likely) ::)

If it does require 600c then can I take effetre up to that temperature?

VERY CONFUSED, and help would be appreciated.

Thanks

;D
Title: Re: Annealing cim and effetre
Post by: sublimekate on April 27, 2009, 02:11:25 PM
I wasn't aware of Ginger requiring 600c to anneal  ???

But I have had a few ginger encased beads crack on me so it *might* be right  ???

The annealing programme you've shown is ALMOST the same as what I use for ALL effetre and CiM, the only difference is that my Ramp 2 is 100c, the reason I do this is that if I ramp at FULL from 510c to 520c my SC2 flys up to 540 or above before it seems to know what it's doing and it has failed in the past because it's done this. If it doesn't fail and any of my beads are touching (which they almost always are coz I jam it full  ;D) they somtimes stick, depends what glass and I used to get upset if they came out with marks on them  :(

Having said that from what I can gather over the last 12 months one persons experience of their SC2 can be very difference from anothers and I don't know what kiln you have anyway.

I'd be interested in what the score is with Ginger too  :)
Title: Re: Annealing cim and effetre
Post by: julieHB on April 27, 2009, 02:12:48 PM
Hi Vicki,

In this thread, post #38, Kathy from CIM has explained all about the various cim annealing temperatures, and how you should go about annealing a combination of glasses with different annealing temperatures. Seems straight forward, but I suppose one should be careful with combining the cim colours with glass that kiln strike.

Modified to add link  ::):

http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44022&page=2

There's a word document enclosed in that post which lists the different annealing temperatures.
Title: Re: Annealing cim and effetre
Post by: Im a glassy babe on April 27, 2009, 02:27:09 PM
Thanks,

Kate, this is the thread I read earlier so even more confused now  ;D

http://www.frit-happens.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2276.0

Will go and have a look at the link you've given Julie thanks.

Be interesting to see what everyone else does?

;D
Title: Re: Annealing cim and effetre
Post by: saffie on April 27, 2009, 02:45:20 PM
I garage at annealing temp 520 all mine, CiM, effetre and Bullseye. ramp down at 55 to 320 but other than that the same pretty much!!!

curious about ginger tho!!
Title: Re: Annealing cim and effetre
Post by: Pam on April 27, 2009, 05:37:12 PM
I know I had serious problems encasing CIM and was told I needed to anneal a lot higher if I can trace the email I will fill you in later. As yet I haven't changed anything as my bead making session a bit random-go with the flow sort of thing and I haven't encased CIM since. don't really fancy working different glass with a higher annealing temp as knowing my luck my beads will stick together  :D as I pile them up quite a bit.