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Technical Forum => Studio/workspace/setup/equipment => Kilns => Topic started by: Katiequiggle on April 23, 2009, 08:57:22 AM

Title: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Katiequiggle on April 23, 2009, 08:57:22 AM
Has anyone worked out how much it costs to run an SC2 with a bead door, (think thats what mines called)  Someone did tell me once but it must have gone up with the increase in energy costs.  I hardly ever use mine as I work as I'm worried about costs and if I knew if was a lot cheaper than my imagination runs away with I might turn it on more often.

Thanks
Kate xxx
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Stacy on April 23, 2009, 09:36:50 AM
Somewhere in my head I am thinking either 14p per hour or 50p per hour.... I know that is no help as the two differ a lot.
Just something I think I remember but then again both could be wrong!
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Lee - Kilncare on April 23, 2009, 09:49:57 AM
Hi Katie, I really don't know for sure on the SC2 but it won't be horrendous, you may be talking 50p per day on a longish day.
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Dickie on April 23, 2009, 09:54:33 AM
Most small bead kilns use up to 1KW per hour (many are less) so the cost will be whatever your kWh rate is. (This is currently around the 12-15p mark.)
BUT... your kiln is not on all the time, it's actually only using electricity for perhaps half the time as it continually switches on and off therefore a 1kW kiln can be considered a 500w kiln (for usage sake) if it has a 50% duty cycle (i.e. on half the time)
So that would be around 6 - 7.5p per hour.

Calculating this per day would be

<Kiln Power> x <duty cycle> x <Hours Run> x <Cost per kW Hour> = Cost per day

So a 1kW kiln run for 7 hours at 15p per kWh

1kW x 0.5 x 7 hours x 0.15 = 52.5p for the day

Hope this helps
(Your electricity usage may vary depending on kiln power/efficiency and how long you run it for)
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Dickie on April 23, 2009, 09:59:18 AM
OK just found out that an SC2 is 1.745kw (That's quite a lot)

So...

Running that formula again

1.745 x 0.5 x 7 x 0.15 = 91p per day or 13p per hour
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: julieHB on April 23, 2009, 10:07:46 AM
Thanks for showing that formula again, Dickie. I was a bit curious whether the theory fit the actual usage, and last October I put the kiln in one of those power meter sockets, and as Lee says, we talk pennies over a day. When it has come up to temperature it only clicks on to keep it there, it's not using its full wattage all the time, I think it is less than half. If you are making bigger beads it is certainly not worth your hours to try to keep the beads from cracking before they can get annealed. From October last year I believe the kiln has used about £12, and I always put the kiln on when beading. I've also used it for fusing, and expect it will use more then (per hour) as it has to fire up to higher temperatures.

By the way, I have a SC2, but not with a bead door.  :)
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Katiequiggle on April 23, 2009, 10:13:22 AM
Crikey thats very cheap, I was told that it was app. £5 to heat up and cool down plus 50p per hour of working time.  I'm off to put the kiln on then. Thanks for that.  ;D
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: theflyingbedstead on April 23, 2009, 10:47:26 AM
Thanks for that info Dickie - far less than I thought too!
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Soozintheshed on April 23, 2009, 11:07:08 AM
We have a little machine at work that we can plug into a socket, then plug the appliance into the machine.  It then tells us how much we have used  :)

I like gadgets  ;D
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Dickie on April 23, 2009, 11:20:14 AM
Yes... we have one of those too... measures EVERYTHING the studio uses so we can account for it in Sarah's tax return. Interestingly the heater Sarah uses in the winter uses more than the kiln... ;)
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: sublimekate on April 23, 2009, 11:26:58 AM
I worked it out once for my SC2 by switching everything off in the house/garage and just leaving the kiln running, I can't find all the calculations now  >:(

I did it while it was ramping up to allow for the worst case, and again while it was holding.

I reckoned it out at about £10.00 per month MAX, or £2.50 a week allowing for the kiln being on for 4 days a week on average for around 15 hours a go, allowing for ramp-up, hold, and ramp down etc.

So I would say that 50p per day is a good benchmark.

I'll have a dig around for those calculations, but I have to say I there hasn't been a noticable difference in our electricity consumption in fact it's come down against last year, although we have been trying to save energy elsewhere in the home which may have allowed for the extra the kiln is using.
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Dragonfire Glass on April 23, 2009, 02:46:58 PM
I knew it wasn't expensive, but it's interesting to see it actually in pounds and pence  ;D
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: julieHB on April 23, 2009, 03:07:31 PM
Has anyone thought of measuring how much it cost to make umpteen cups of tea a day? Our water boiler is 3000W (!)
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Dragonfire Glass on April 23, 2009, 03:17:33 PM
he he - water would probably boil just sitting in front of my kiln when the door is open - now there's an idea!
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Shirley on April 23, 2009, 03:23:10 PM
Quote from: Failariel on April 23, 2009, 03:17:33 PM
he he - water would probably boil just sitting in front of my kiln when the door is open - now there's an idea!

There's no 'probably' about it!  :D
Title: Re: Pricing Kiln Usage.
Post by: Kaz on April 23, 2009, 06:21:13 PM
Diane's DH ran a test on the Maxine and it came out at around 70p per session. Well worth it if you can stuff it full (like that great photo of Julie Lush's!) That's on garaging - so it may be a bit less for a batch anneal.
Kazx