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Lampwork => Common Problems => Topic started by: Margram on April 22, 2009, 01:57:37 PM

Title: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Margram on April 22, 2009, 01:57:37 PM
Up to now, if I get a slot to do some lampworking I keep at it for say, 2-5 hours non-stop.  That means I don't pop out there for just the odd hour but I'd like to.  What do you do about the gas and oxycon if you stop for a tea-break - do you bleed the lines, or just turn off at the oxycon and the burner?

TIA Marg x
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Sarah on April 22, 2009, 02:03:10 PM
Hi Marg

I usually leave the oxycon running but bleed the propane lines. I do it in case I get distracted and forget about the propane. The oxycon isn't dangerous if I forget it but the propane is.

Sarah
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Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Wishing Wells Glass on April 22, 2009, 02:26:36 PM
I just turn them off.  I'm in and out of my studio all day so I only bleed the lines at night when I'm closing up for the day :)

x
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Lush! on April 22, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
I just turn em off too, I have my kiln set to garage for 13 hours so I frequently pop in and out of the porch.  I often have to give my extractor a rest anyway, I think its got a bearing problem, after a couple of hours the noise can be horrendous!

Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Steampunkglass on April 22, 2009, 03:14:36 PM
QuoteI just turn them off.  .......I only bleed the lines at night when I'm closing up for the day
Me too, I try and take breaks to rest me eyes & hands every 45min-1hr to make tea or get more water if it's hot
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Margram on April 22, 2009, 04:27:53 PM
Thanks. I take it you turn the gas off at the tank not just at the burner? ???

(We have one of those noisy extractors in our bathroom - sounds like an aircraft
wanting to take off ::))

Marg x
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Donna@Rockin' Beads on April 22, 2009, 09:58:07 PM
I don't get much torch time but if I do stop for a break I'll simply turn off the torch, the oxycon (it struggles after an hour and likes the break) and the extractor. I hadn't really woried about the propane tank but might now...
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Les on April 22, 2009, 10:06:02 PM
I don't bleed the pipes until I'm done for the day. I'm never more than a few yards away from my torch though.
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Helen G on April 22, 2009, 10:54:55 PM
Heck! I never bleed the lines :o
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Sarah on April 22, 2009, 11:22:16 PM
Helen

You must bleed the lines when you're done for a session. Propane is extremely dangerous - its heavier than air and sinks so can build up in your studio causing a huge fire hazard. This is why its advisable to keep your tank outside.

It is probably only necessary to bleed the hose at the end of your day's session. But I can get distracted so bleed the hose if I am leaving the torch for longer than a few minutes. Better safe than sorry.

Sarah
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Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Wishing Wells Glass on April 23, 2009, 12:03:46 AM
Quote from: Margram on April 22, 2009, 04:27:53 PM
Thanks. I take it you turn the gas off at the tank not just at the burner? ???

(We have one of those noisy extractors in our bathroom - sounds like an aircraft
wanting to take off ::))

Marg x

I just turn it off at the torch, not the tank.  This is what I do for a living though, so I'm in my studio pretty much all day every day except for short breaks. 

Helen, Sarah's right, you really should bleed your line after each session.  I turn mine off at the tank, switch on my extractor and re-light only the propane part of the torch to fully burn out all the propane.

x
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Redhotsal on April 23, 2009, 12:07:16 AM
I turn off the oxycon and shut off the torch for a tea break. I bleed everything off at the end of the day.
If you leave any gas in the lines (both oxy or propane) you can lessen the lifetime of your hoses. The propane can cause the plasticisers in the hoses to leach out and they can be dissolved into the propane, but also a lot of UV exposure will also make the hoses brittle too.

You ought to change your hoses when/if they go brittle and certainly if you get lots of little cracks appearing.
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Chelly77 on April 23, 2009, 09:21:41 AM
Hi Guys,

When you say bleed the lines, are you talking about getting ride of teh extra propane in the pipes?  Do I need to do this for a HH on bulk?
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Les on April 23, 2009, 09:26:23 AM
Yep... that's what bleeding the lines is.... I'd do it with the HH too... just turn the bulk cylinder off at source and let the propane burn off until the flame does out.

And yeh... you still really need to bleed the lines ... it doesn't matter what torch you use, the propane sitting in the pipes is what causes the damage. :)
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Margram on April 23, 2009, 01:27:50 PM
Thanks everyone.  I've been able to have a nice lunch break today and now
I'm back off out. Excited because I used silver wire for the first time on a little
spacer, and made my first big hole bead  :D.

Marg x
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Sulis (Hazel) on April 23, 2009, 03:36:22 PM
Drum roll........Sounds bleedin' fab Marg!  ::)     Cymbal crash!!

Oh dear.

Well done though, I can't make decent big hole beads for toffee!  xx
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Margram on April 23, 2009, 03:48:13 PM
Harumph! You are making fun of me - and I thought you would share
my joy! >:( ;D

I've just made a pendant with ivory and turquoise in my new Kalera
press and some spacers to match.  Another two firsts for me - the glass
combo and the press. It may be one small step to you Hazel, but it's
a giant leap for me :D :D :D

Marg x

PS I didn't say it was a decent big hole bead - just my first (and the bead release
gave way before I was properly finished...
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: Helen G on April 23, 2009, 09:09:13 PM
 :-[ :-[OK, just legged it outsie to bleed my hoses and I promise I will do it every night from now on :-[ :-[
Thank goodness you started this thread Marg, I owe you one......big time. And Sal, I remember you telling me all that info when I came for my beginners lesson, that'll teach me to ignore technical advice :-[
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: LittleMoo on May 23, 2009, 02:50:31 PM
Yikes, just read this and i've never bled my hoses! Don't remember being told to but then I have got a rubbish memory. Will make sure I do so from now on. Thanks!
Title: Re: Taking a break when lampworking
Post by: mazmeabead on May 23, 2009, 08:32:24 PM
I turn off the oxy and semi-bleed the torch - wait for the flame to get half height & then turn off the bottle - to stop to make a brew go to the loo have a chat muck about with the washing etc then I can go back in for another hour or two..

Always bleed off the propane at the end of the session =  end of the day 

Maz ;)