I've been asked for some subtle gold beads and I was wondering if gold leaf under frit works as nicely as silver does?
I know I could go and try it for myself but I'm not going to get any torch time till Saturday evening now ( :'( )
I should know the answer to that one shouldn't I? :-[ But I don't, sorry...
I've never used gold foil for 2 reasons
1 - Too much of a skinflint to pay for it - this is the main reason
2 - I very rarely like the look of it, certainly not enough to buy it myself...
I would love to see how it turns out though so please post some piccys hun, ;)
why not encase silver under frit with lausha clear, it turns it gold .... i will get my coat
Because it its encased it won't do that cobwebby thing - don't forget your scarf ;)
I use gold leaf. It can go black if you overheat it and I would worry that melting in the frit would need too much heat to keep the colour. You can get a nice russet colour of you spot heat it on ivory.
I've never managed subtle with gold leaf - what about some encased goldstone?
Sarah
xxx
PS - just read Sandy's post - good idea :)
Quote from: Lush! on February 19, 2009, 11:30:17 PM
Because it its encased it won't do that cobwebby thing - don't forget your scarf ;)
It might do with hades & Lauscha :)
just popped back for my bobble hat
ps what cobwebby thing.... like intense black?
themos and mittens bye xx
Hmm, she specifically wants pale golden tones though, so far I've just shown her light topaz and straw yellow dipped in gold pixie dust.
Maybe I'll try the silver over straw, with lauscha over the top ... okay Sandy, you can stay :D
Straw on silver will also give gold (should have thought of that before) :)
;D
i knew the thermos and sarnies would come in handy ;)
Ah - straw over silver, instead of silver over straw! Yep, I'll try that!
This is what I mean by cobwebby, Sandy, but there's probably a better description! When the frit pushes the silver aside so it makes a kind of cobweb!
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a111/biggirlsblouseuk/P2020101sm.jpg)
Pour me a cuppa please, Sandy ;)
Is there any way of surface treating silver so it looks gold? Y'now like you would use a patina on metal? Would that work on the silver that has moved to the surface of the glass do you think? Or would it wash/wear off? Or am I talking rubbish again?... ;)
I wouldn't use leaf, I have made a few like this and you will loose most if not all of it as it will just burn away. Foil would be better as it will give you more working time ;) You could try silver leaf/foil with pinky frits as most of those will turn to gold, like this
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/lushie_rat/dolly_2821.jpg)
Sam - I haven't a clue!
Gorgeous bead, Jaq, it looks like I need to do some experimenting - I don't have any gold foil, just leaf.
just finishing my spot the ball..
if you make a bead that you like, with the frit being outlined by the silver, then you encase....
I've just started playing with gold leaf. Mine's called "double" leaf, I guess that's just a bit thicker than the thinnest leaf. It doesn't burn off in the same way as silver does, it sort of sticks more, so I've been toying with how to get a more fragmented look to it. I haven't tried it yet, but I think if you made something like SIS but with gold leaf over say a transparent (maybe straw yellow?), you'd get a more crumbly broken up leaf...? I think it would look amazing with black stringer or ribbon as well. I'll try it too but not before Monday (half term!). OR ooh I just thought of this, and it could be amazing, what about applying it sparsely as you can, then melting the bead and letting it droop and swirl it? That would really break it up and if you used it on a transparent you might get layers of gold too.
Otherwise, I've seen a lovely effect from making a white core and encasing with the pale yellows like straw, then etching, it gave a sort of glowing pearly gold... That's very subtle.
I'm guessing fuming and reduced rubino or eg DH Aion are not considered subtle...?
I like the effect of burning the silver leaf to gold too, especially when some of the silver stays silver, but the gold colour is not as pretty as gold leaf, I don't think.
Oh blimey, I'm going to have to get the torch out tomorrow now, kids or no kids.
Looking forward to seeing what you do!
Hi was wondering if this is the sort of effect you were looking for Julie. This isn't my bead it was one I had found ages ago. I remember that the metal in it is palladium and straw yellow I think ???? encasing it.
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/PegasusLampwork/21183d.jpg)
PS - Hope you are well, I met you at Chester Bead Fair (was Pingu then but changed to Pegasus), loving your work!!!
Bev
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have you got the bits to do fuming. I've never done it myself but I Love the subtle gold effect that gives
Julie, gold does not react with glass the same way silver does, and won't do the "cobwebby" thing. I don't know exactly what effect you are after, but you could always make something like this, which has a golden look to it - if you use a transparent glass instead of opaque it will have more of a translucent quality, I think :
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/9229659@N03/3231418600/" >(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3348/3231418600_a457e7789b_o.jpg)</a>
A lot of frits go golden colours when used with silver foil like Jaq said. And if you then decorate over the top with white or pale pink they can end up going a warm golden colour too as they react with the silver.
Straw yellow over silver foil, quite old beads so not brilliant. I like them and they do look like I've used gold foil, but subtle they ain't :o
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/dinah46/frit%20happens/My%20beads/Deepyellowfoilbracelet.jpg)
Quote from: astringofbeads on February 19, 2009, 11:46:18 PM
I wouldn't use leaf, I have made a few like this and you will loose most if not all of it as it will just burn away. Foil would be better as it will give you more working time ;) You could try silver leaf/foil with pinky frits as most of those will turn to gold, like this
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/lushie_rat/dolly_2821.jpg)
Ok, you've changed my mind :-[ - that gold leaf effect is beautiful! ;D
Quote from: julieHB on February 20, 2009, 10:17:18 AM
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/9229659@N03/3231418600/" >(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3348/3231418600_a457e7789b_o.jpg)</a>
Wow, thats a stunner too and I love the fibula shape. ;D
These are gold leaf on ivory, with Mocha frit. It can react with ivory, but it can play nice too!
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/weemaryanne/golden_cl.jpg)
WOW - lots of food for thought there!